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Time to create a new professional registration for Engineering Technologists

Peter Miller
The number of newly registered incorporated engineers continues to decline. The strategy of the Engineering Council is clearly not aligned to supporting the engineering technologist professional. Given the governments commitment to technical education the IET should create their own professional register to provide a relevant standard. It is obvious the current UKSPEC standard lacks credibility in terms of the IEng grade
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    Andy Millar:

    Just to add emphasise to Roy's point, which I have addressed more fully in another thread, it is perfectly legal for UK employers to insist on CEng if they wish - it would be equally legal for them to insist on a GCSE in Classical Civilisations if they wanted (even if it wasn't relevant to the job).


    I have never met an employer who does insist on CEng (or GCSE Classical Civilisations), because in practice this limits their field of choice of candidates too much. But if John has found one, then that's up to that employer. If they feel they can find good enough candidates by using this selection critieria that's up to them.


    Thanks, Andy



    Re: Time to create a new professional registration for Engineering Technologists
    Posted by Roy Pemberton on Dec 16, 2017 2:07 pm
    John Bowman, Firstly, I am FIET but MIET, but that's only a recent change. I'm not sure why you ask the question, but never mind, let me mount my challenge to your post. 
    Roy the name is Mr Gowman
    ROY
    You have made a good argument to defend IET, CENG and Honorary Fellow.
    The problem is that CEng is not a legal requirement.

     
    CEng, EC UK and UK elitism has had its day. It is a UK pervert, peculiarity like May Day dancing or drinking yards. It is a combination of subjective approval and a set of professional requirements.
    There are many CEng that do not meet UK Spec but have powerful employers or friends.
    There are three times more good engineers who are UKSpec equivalent and not ECUK CEng registered.

     
    If we take all your positive arguments and then call for an independent UK assessor to verify that a Professional Engineer meets the basic Professional Engineer requirements, then we can let PEIs get on with their true task of promoting their technology disciplines.

     
    Your personal attack is typical of the PEI hard core – Fellow CEng.
    I refused to be a Fellow of this institute just as I stood down to let a woman try her chances as CEO of a founding IET Institute. I was co-editor of our journal, committee member and founder of an Institute that I encouraged to amalgamate to become IET.

     
    As for my training & education and qualifications, I was a UK Ministry of Defence apprentice recruited by the most severe UK recruiting and security procedures. Like you, I under took CPD during my career. I had a taught master before a BSc (BA) and ECUK registration. I have two other accredited Masters.
    And have been consulted by the heads of Technology research worldwide (and it still continues).

     
    Roy you have a good attitude – exploit it to make UK Technology respected , not restrictive and elitist.
    This is your challenge:
    75% PEs not interested in ECUK PEIS.
    10 % of PEs are women.

     
    Change the system to register and promote Professional engineers.

     
    Your arguments apply to the day of CEng IEng PEI registration only. You are a leading example of how those registrations and experiences can change. They are not valid with todays changing technology after 5 years +/-. Your arguments lead to the requirement of ECUK Spec verification every 5 years just as medical doctors have to justify that they are in touch with modern medcin.

     
    If you want a protective club, join the Masons, the golf or sailing club. Professional engineers need to be recognized and registered -  HNC or BSc.
     -PEs need PEIs only to guide them.

     
    You have to be thick skinned to do what I have done for the last few years, I have called on my experience and the aid of the top experts to resolve the blocking points in many multi-disciplinary industries, I simply present the facts - Heads have rolled.

     
    I have been consulted by the leading R&D organizations and Major Industrialists.
    I do not show off with Titles, I have a CV and HNC plus Plus; I also transmit my knowledge and experience and create technology teams of, as you stated, specific experts.
    I have posted blogs on IET no one is interested in Technology. They are just interested in prestige, and closed shops of restrictive practices.
    Blogs see below

     
    You cannot be a Generalist Technologist but after about 30 years you can be a Generalist Technologist Advisor and expert in a few domains, mine are applied to special industries, nuclear and aerospace which use Special Techniques materials, fatigue, cryogenic-UH vacuum, in energy & power development.
    I am a trained precision fitter and journeyman indentured to the Minister of Aviation with further experience and education gained mainly in the UK & EU – bilingual as all engineers should be.
    Thanks to progress no one will have to follow my path.

     
    I find that most of the CEng & Fellows are simply out of touch with reality. Many do not even meet UK Spec.

     
    John Gowman
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    Any comments?
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