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Hi Roy,


Exactly.


On a couple of points, I can't see any reason whatsoever now to link CEng / IEng to "management" now that the IET is offering Chartered Manager as well (I got my CMgr before this). I do agree (as I mentioned to Simon above) that any of the engineering professional statuses carry some responsibility to ensure that your work is technically carried through correctly - part of the point of them is to show that you aware that your work does not exist in a bubble. But if you're good at delivering projects to time then get CMgr, if you're good at delivering projects to meet technical needs then get CEng / IEng / EngTech. And if you can do both then get both.


On the CEng / IEng distinction, I tend to see it very simply - is the candidate prepared to, and likely to, make the right decision in complex situations when there are no rules that apply? If so then they are CEng. If they are unhappy to do so, but may have very good technical competence to follow the rules and choose the appropriate rule in complex situations, then IEng is a useful indication that this is a professionally competent person. 


At present in practice we have a situation where CEngs are recognised, while the vast majority of engineers have no certification as to their professional competence. I don't like that situation at all. However, I also regularly have the experience of wanting assurance that the final signatory to a technical sign off will do a bit more than follow the book, but will apply that extra... (insert phrase as appropriate )  So that's why I tend to see a solution similar to that present as the most practical solution IF there was a properly recognised designator other than CEng...and I still tend to think that if industry would start recognising IEng properly much of the "first class / second class" argument would go away. Reminds me a bit of the fact that no-one is a salesperson any more, they are all "customer account executives" - if every engineer in a company was a Principal Engineer (insert your own company's grade as appropriate) does that mean they are all final signatories? (The answer is no  ) The engineering profession is divided into roles, let's make sure each of those roles is respected and has the third party accreditation it deserves.


When you and I rule the whole engineering profession it will all get sorted  *


(I've been waiting all this morning for a huge piece of rush work to arrive...must be about due now...might be a late one tonight!)


Cheers,


Andy


(* Having been caught out by very literal minded people on IET forums in the past, can I mention that this is a joke!)

Hi Roy,


Exactly.


On a couple of points, I can't see any reason whatsoever now to link CEng / IEng to "management" now that the IET is offering Chartered Manager as well (I got my CMgr before this). I do agree (as I mentioned to Simon above) that any of the engineering professional statuses carry some responsibility to ensure that your work is technically carried through correctly - part of the point of them is to show that you aware that your work does not exist in a bubble. But if you're good at delivering projects to time then get CMgr, if you're good at delivering projects to meet technical needs then get CEng / IEng / EngTech. And if you can do both then get both.


On the CEng / IEng distinction, I tend to see it very simply - is the candidate prepared to, and likely to, make the right decision in complex situations when there are no rules that apply? If so then they are CEng. If they are unhappy to do so, but may have very good technical competence to follow the rules and choose the appropriate rule in complex situations, then IEng is a useful indication that this is a professionally competent person. 


At present in practice we have a situation where CEngs are recognised, while the vast majority of engineers have no certification as to their professional competence. I don't like that situation at all. However, I also regularly have the experience of wanting assurance that the final signatory to a technical sign off will do a bit more than follow the book, but will apply that extra... (insert phrase as appropriate )  So that's why I tend to see a solution similar to that present as the most practical solution IF there was a properly recognised designator other than CEng...and I still tend to think that if industry would start recognising IEng properly much of the "first class / second class" argument would go away. Reminds me a bit of the fact that no-one is a salesperson any more, they are all "customer account executives" - if every engineer in a company was a Principal Engineer (insert your own company's grade as appropriate) does that mean they are all final signatories? (The answer is no  ) The engineering profession is divided into roles, let's make sure each of those roles is respected and has the third party accreditation it deserves.


When you and I rule the whole engineering profession it will all get sorted  *


(I've been waiting all this morning for a huge piece of rush work to arrive...must be about due now...might be a late one tonight!)


Cheers,


Andy


(* Having been caught out by very literal minded people on IET forums in the past, can I mention that this is a joke!)