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Time for licenced Engineers?

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As a result of a discussion within a Linkedin group. I had originally raised the issue of the EC UK or IET legally licencing Engineers and had agreed to bring this discussion from Linkedin to the IET members in an appropriate community for a frank and open debate.

​The circumstances surrounding this discussion was the tragedy of Grenfell Towers and my personal observation that some of the alleged decision makers, had no technical qualifications to make decisions on public safety. I am wondering how far the inquiry will go to reveal that issue. 



As I currently work in Canada we do have an act of law governing the conduct of its licenced Engineers and this makes the Engineer have some higher degree of responsibility for public safety.


​Questions

1)    Given the impact of Grenfell, does EC(UK) have to now start considering licencing? What are the perceived hurdles to achieve this?

​2)    If not. What can we do within our profession to improve pubic safety with an objective to prevent another 'Grenfell' ?


I am ​Interested to get IET members responses.

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    Simon, Engineers Canada is the Federal Body, but is the main contact point for the provincial regulators sort of like EC UK in its mandate.  It has a limited authority of powers over each provincial licensing body. Think of each Province as a separate country in Europe, with Engineers Canada representing the whole of the European Union. I think the text therefore is a little vague to suit the differences between provinces ( and there are some).  I don't have much experience with the other provinces but this link is Professional Engineers Ontario and it explains that it expects the Engineer to be able to prove the application of theory as part of the licensing requirement, that would be the engineering principles they are referring to. Remember also that a lot of text is translated between French and English and back so some strange translation or vaguaries are sometimes common place. 


    www.peo.on.ca/.../1.htm

    Principes d’ingénierie : application professionnelle des principes des mathématiques, de la chimie, de la physique ou de toute matière appliquée connexe.

    Engineering principles: the professional application of mathematical principles, chemistry, physics or any applied or related matters. 


    ​We are sort of drifting off topic. They key point here is that an ex- British dominion has successfully implemented a licensing scheme to full effect and has certainly maintained and raised standards of engineering. The result can be seen in the number of entries into the profession, how the public view the profession and I would say the number of women represented. For example Ottawa has a population of approx 1 million people, within that there are 8,500 licensed professional engineers. Don't quote me on this but I think of that 8,500, 17% are women. In 2016 it was 12.8% of 288,870 practising engineers in the entire country.
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    Simon, Engineers Canada is the Federal Body, but is the main contact point for the provincial regulators sort of like EC UK in its mandate.  It has a limited authority of powers over each provincial licensing body. Think of each Province as a separate country in Europe, with Engineers Canada representing the whole of the European Union. I think the text therefore is a little vague to suit the differences between provinces ( and there are some).  I don't have much experience with the other provinces but this link is Professional Engineers Ontario and it explains that it expects the Engineer to be able to prove the application of theory as part of the licensing requirement, that would be the engineering principles they are referring to. Remember also that a lot of text is translated between French and English and back so some strange translation or vaguaries are sometimes common place. 


    www.peo.on.ca/.../1.htm

    Principes d’ingénierie : application professionnelle des principes des mathématiques, de la chimie, de la physique ou de toute matière appliquée connexe.

    Engineering principles: the professional application of mathematical principles, chemistry, physics or any applied or related matters. 


    ​We are sort of drifting off topic. They key point here is that an ex- British dominion has successfully implemented a licensing scheme to full effect and has certainly maintained and raised standards of engineering. The result can be seen in the number of entries into the profession, how the public view the profession and I would say the number of women represented. For example Ottawa has a population of approx 1 million people, within that there are 8,500 licensed professional engineers. Don't quote me on this but I think of that 8,500, 17% are women. In 2016 it was 12.8% of 288,870 practising engineers in the entire country.
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