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Time for licenced Engineers?

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As a result of a discussion within a Linkedin group. I had originally raised the issue of the EC UK or IET legally licencing Engineers and had agreed to bring this discussion from Linkedin to the IET members in an appropriate community for a frank and open debate.

​The circumstances surrounding this discussion was the tragedy of Grenfell Towers and my personal observation that some of the alleged decision makers, had no technical qualifications to make decisions on public safety. I am wondering how far the inquiry will go to reveal that issue. 



As I currently work in Canada we do have an act of law governing the conduct of its licenced Engineers and this makes the Engineer have some higher degree of responsibility for public safety.


​Questions

1)    Given the impact of Grenfell, does EC(UK) have to now start considering licencing? What are the perceived hurdles to achieve this?

​2)    If not. What can we do within our profession to improve pubic safety with an objective to prevent another 'Grenfell' ?


I am ​Interested to get IET members responses.

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    Bob smiley , employers may be impressed by a candidate's resume followed by the interview to offer that candidate a position; but depending on how the employee gels in, adapts to the job in hand, and (most important of all) bonds with their line manager, will decide whether they're heading for a fast track career path or not.


    Working hard for many years to get to position of professional engineer does not in it self guarantee fast track promotion. Factors, such as charming personality, strength of character, natural leadership qualities can lead to fast track promotion for lesser qualified staff over highly qualified staff. Industry do not follow the script that engineers (registered or not) expect to happen.


    We're now in an age of Computerisation (email, calander, microsoft based products) Automation (technology based products,

    and Artifical Intelligent (fast and accurate decision making jobs normally done by skilled employed staff). Does anybody remember the movie - Dark Star - where an astranaut is in conversation with one of the nucler bombs - designed to explode over unstable stars in space. The astranaut doesn't want it to explode as there is a malfunction and detonation would kill everyone on board the spaceship. Sci-Fi is starting to become a reality.


    As a consequence of the rapid developments in engineering and techology employers are going to be less impressed by engineers' lengthy path to education, training and experience for career development consideration. Younger people capable of adapting to the changing scene and showing initiative will be fast tracked to promotion even over more qualified and experienced engineers (registered or not).


    In order to achieve justifyable reason to protected the title of Engineer for suitably qualified engineers, then a generic job role for an engineer will also need to be defined and protected by law; and I cannot see that ever happening for the reasons given above. I am aware that title protection is in force in other countries, but I'm of the opinion that this was only achievable prior to the birth of the internet, WWW, personal computer i.e late 1970s to early 1980s.


    The future sataelite comunication.

    Russian warhead: Hello my american friend. I have been sent launch codes to detonate over the USA.  But before I decide to accept the codes, I need to know if USA is a threat?


    American Warhead: Everything is okay hear brother. No one in USA is considering first strike. Have you checked the internet to verify? We have McDonalds here.


    Russian warhead: Oh I love to try McDonalds. My premier loves it too. Looks like fake news. I must seek more clarification. In the meantime, I have put launch on hold.


    American warhead: That's mighty decent of you buddy. Speak to me for additional confirmation of no threat.
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    Bob smiley , employers may be impressed by a candidate's resume followed by the interview to offer that candidate a position; but depending on how the employee gels in, adapts to the job in hand, and (most important of all) bonds with their line manager, will decide whether they're heading for a fast track career path or not.


    Working hard for many years to get to position of professional engineer does not in it self guarantee fast track promotion. Factors, such as charming personality, strength of character, natural leadership qualities can lead to fast track promotion for lesser qualified staff over highly qualified staff. Industry do not follow the script that engineers (registered or not) expect to happen.


    We're now in an age of Computerisation (email, calander, microsoft based products) Automation (technology based products,

    and Artifical Intelligent (fast and accurate decision making jobs normally done by skilled employed staff). Does anybody remember the movie - Dark Star - where an astranaut is in conversation with one of the nucler bombs - designed to explode over unstable stars in space. The astranaut doesn't want it to explode as there is a malfunction and detonation would kill everyone on board the spaceship. Sci-Fi is starting to become a reality.


    As a consequence of the rapid developments in engineering and techology employers are going to be less impressed by engineers' lengthy path to education, training and experience for career development consideration. Younger people capable of adapting to the changing scene and showing initiative will be fast tracked to promotion even over more qualified and experienced engineers (registered or not).


    In order to achieve justifyable reason to protected the title of Engineer for suitably qualified engineers, then a generic job role for an engineer will also need to be defined and protected by law; and I cannot see that ever happening for the reasons given above. I am aware that title protection is in force in other countries, but I'm of the opinion that this was only achievable prior to the birth of the internet, WWW, personal computer i.e late 1970s to early 1980s.


    The future sataelite comunication.

    Russian warhead: Hello my american friend. I have been sent launch codes to detonate over the USA.  But before I decide to accept the codes, I need to know if USA is a threat?


    American Warhead: Everything is okay hear brother. No one in USA is considering first strike. Have you checked the internet to verify? We have McDonalds here.


    Russian warhead: Oh I love to try McDonalds. My premier loves it too. Looks like fake news. I must seek more clarification. In the meantime, I have put launch on hold.


    American warhead: That's mighty decent of you buddy. Speak to me for additional confirmation of no threat.
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