Professional Engineering MSc

Hi Scott,


There is some information on the Engineering Council website at: http://www.engc.org.uk/education-skills/engineering-gateways/


Regards,


Kathryn

Maybe the following link can be helpful as well:


www.engc.org.uk/.../


Quoting :

"Click here to download your complimentary copy of the 2018 Pocket Guide to Professional Registration for engineers and technicians.

This pocket guide has been developed for use by all those working within the professional engineering community. It aims to provide key information about registration with the Engineering Council and about the many organisations working within this community.

The Engineering Council will endeavour to keep this ebook up to date as changes are notified to the organisation, but cannot be held responsible for incorrect data. Therefore it is advisable to check the primary source of information before acting upon any of the information provided.

Should you come across incorrect information contained within this guide, please contact marketing@engc.org.uk with an update."


 

Hi Ian,


As i understand it, IET accredited courses are exactly that - they are accredited by the IET. I don't know what happens these days, but several years ago i was involved in supporting my local university through its IET reaccreditation process and it was pretty thorough. So yes, I would not be surprised if there are EC accredited courses which are not IET accredited.


This should not greatly affect any CEng registration however, it is NOT essential that you attend an accredited course (or, indeed, any course) - you just need to show that you have met an equivalent standard. I would hope that stating that teh course is EC accredited would achieve this.


Cheers,


Andy

Good Evening Andy,

Thanks for that.

Before I start the MSc, I would like to know if there are other ways I can fill the gaps in my knowledge, skills and experience required for CEng. Obviously a distance learning masters is a significant commitment in time and money.

I will be teaching in my next role so I don't think I will be able to satisfy the UK-Spec competencies along with what I already have for CEng.

Hi Scott,


Hmmmm...this has to beg the question, what are you looking for from a CEng? Assuming that it's to enhance your career prospects, is the CEng actually going to be more important than a Master's or experience? In most professions (certainly all that I've worked in) it works the other way around - once you have the right combinations of knowledge, experience and attitude to reach a senior engineer level then the CEng application will go straight through irrespective of your actual qualifications.


Which is a long winded way of saying that mostly it's best to identify those qualifications (or experience) which will best help you get promoted or get a new job in your industry of choice, rather than worrying about how "CEng friendly" they are.


Unless you are in an industry where CEng is a solid gateway to entry in which case the situation I suppose may be different.


Probably not the best discussion to have on a forum (as it very much depends on your personal circumstances), I'd strongly recommend finding a PRA through the IET (ideally but not essentially one who has awareness of your industry), they should be able to sit down quietly with you over a coffee / pint and look at your specific case. 


But in general - much though this may not be IET policy! - personally I would never recommend getting a Masters solely to get CEng.


Good luck!


Andy

Hi Ian,


I can only suggest that if anyone feels they are using "Masters" level knowledge (which if they are at a senior engineering level they should be) and have been turned down on UK&U then they query this through their PRA or directly. Obviously no-one here can comment on individual cases.


In general the cases I've seen (and I suspect this is pretty much the rule) where lack of use of Masters level knowledge has been queried are where candidates are in roles which may have significant project responsibility, but where they are not having to make significant technical judgements. In which case having a Masters degree won't help - if you have the knowledge  but your job doesn't require you to use it then you still won't meet A&B criteria.


Where I can see a CEng being turned down on education / learning / training grounds is where it is felt that your role requires you to make engineering judgements, but you don't actually seem to have sufficient knowledge to make those judgements. In principle I'd hope we'd all agree that's reasonable!


I don't know what percentage of succesful CEng applicants have Masters degrees, maybe if Roy Bowdler's reading this he may have some figures? My bet for UK applicants is that it's pretty low (if I was going to guess - and it would be a guess - I'd say 10-20% ?), but I may be out of date. It would be very interesting to know.


Thanks,


Andy

P.S. In my second paragraph I should of course have put in somewhere - or in several places -  "...in the opinion of the PRI panel..."

It is only a judgement, although it is a judgement made by several different people.

Good Morning Gents,

I'm pleased to see the healthy debate this has started. I used 2 different PRAs for my IEng application via the Armed Forces SRA route. I can't use SRA for CEng as I'm not a Squadron Leader with 1 tour in a technical appt. If I want CEng before 2024, I need to do something to improve my portfolio. I found the IEng application process, although long and drawn out was mostly positive. My PRAs had me rewrite my application form several times and prepared me well for interview.

The masters is also a personal aspiration of mine so I will look to kill two birds with one stone if I can.