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C&G Professional Recognition Awards

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Afternoon all,

I've come across, and not found much infomation on the net regarding C&Gs PRAs like LCGI, AfCGI, GCGI and MCGI.


Maybe someone could clear this up for me, but my interpritation of what these are or are supposed to be, is something for people with experience in engineering but without the formal achademic qualifications - awarding a particular award based upon experience which some how corresponds to the type of qualification someone in their job would typically have? So for example, having a GCGI is like having a bachelors degree?


Are such qualifications actually worth having? Are they recognised by industry, or is it more a "buy a title" type situation?


If someone could explain what exactly these really are (and not just marketed as), and what their really worth etc. Sadly C&Gs give very limited info on their site (as per usual).


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    Moshe Waserman:

    For professionals who are applying for a work visa in the USA - Experience and training are counted using the three-for-one rule



    The law recognizes that a person who does not have the required normal academic qualification of a bachelor's degree can reach that level through relevant experience and training in the field. If the person lacks a bachelor's degree, relevant work experience and/or specialized training is counted toward the equivalent of college education using the three-for-one rule. When making a determination whether a foreign national possesses the required academic credentials necessary for an H1B occupation, the USCIS will consider three years of specialized training and/or work experience to be the equivalent of one year of college education.

     




    Hi Moshe,

    I couldn't track this down on the USCIS website, could you offer a link or reference please. Clearly this is an oversimplified "rule of thumb" which we could argue about, but it does seem rather "sensible" for a paragraph with the word law in it.   


    I was 20+ years ago involved with City & Guilds Senior Awards for a time and inquired years later about the streamlined route to MCGI . I thought it might  be a way that I could "put something back" (I didn't need the "title"), but only CEng were eligible, whereas  IEng + Masters (x2) + Chartered wasn't, so I didn't pursue it.  Most Senior Awards were franchised out to organisations like the Armed Forces to demonstrate the achievement of equivalent academic level, carried out in a more vocational context. 


    Their primary focus is by their own tag line " Vocational Education and Apprenticeships" , which is a vital mission. I would speculate that they have found the market for "degree equivalents" much less amenable in recent years as provision in the university sector expanded. Some UK universities have specialised  in work-based learning type programmes and degrees are just more widely understood.    


     

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    Moshe Waserman:

    For professionals who are applying for a work visa in the USA - Experience and training are counted using the three-for-one rule



    The law recognizes that a person who does not have the required normal academic qualification of a bachelor's degree can reach that level through relevant experience and training in the field. If the person lacks a bachelor's degree, relevant work experience and/or specialized training is counted toward the equivalent of college education using the three-for-one rule. When making a determination whether a foreign national possesses the required academic credentials necessary for an H1B occupation, the USCIS will consider three years of specialized training and/or work experience to be the equivalent of one year of college education.

     




    Hi Moshe,

    I couldn't track this down on the USCIS website, could you offer a link or reference please. Clearly this is an oversimplified "rule of thumb" which we could argue about, but it does seem rather "sensible" for a paragraph with the word law in it.   


    I was 20+ years ago involved with City & Guilds Senior Awards for a time and inquired years later about the streamlined route to MCGI . I thought it might  be a way that I could "put something back" (I didn't need the "title"), but only CEng were eligible, whereas  IEng + Masters (x2) + Chartered wasn't, so I didn't pursue it.  Most Senior Awards were franchised out to organisations like the Armed Forces to demonstrate the achievement of equivalent academic level, carried out in a more vocational context. 


    Their primary focus is by their own tag line " Vocational Education and Apprenticeships" , which is a vital mission. I would speculate that they have found the market for "degree equivalents" much less amenable in recent years as provision in the university sector expanded. Some UK universities have specialised  in work-based learning type programmes and degrees are just more widely understood.    


     

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