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How will globally distributed crypto-technologies impact nation-centric professional registration for engineers?

In the UK, professional registration is awarded by licensed bodies who represent the Engineering Council, based on knowledge, competence and commitment to professionalism. In other countries, professional engineers are licensed by the state. The question for discussion is: will distributed crypto-technologies be adapted to augment, compliment or ultimately replace centralized registration of professional engineers in the UK or other nation states, as exemplified by emergence of:
  1. Curiosumé (an open source specification for the analog-to-digital conversion of knowledge asset objects, designed as a system to replace the résumé as a means for describing the interests, skills, experience, and abilities of people —  it functions as a secured personal digital API), 

  • Quant (cryptographic tokens of value generated by a series of claims and verifications submitted by engineers in a delegated proof-of-stake algorithm vs Bitcoins proof-of-work), and, 

  • CoEngineers.io (a shared distributed ledger of integrated engineering knowledge embodied in a distributed global network of engineers, The CoEngineers.io platform,which claims to be the "First Blockchain Developed by Engineers for Engineers," and seeks to use distributed ledger technologies (DLT) and complex multi-agent game mechanics to distribute two cryptographic value-tokens which represent quantity and quality of engineering claims. The underlying concept is that engineering requires separation of responsibility and chronological verification and that the practice of engineering can be modeled as a “chain of interdependent blocks.”  Think of a Blockchain distributed ledger, a shared ledger where a consensus of replicated, shared, and synchronized digital data is geographically spread across multiple sites, countries, or institutions in a decentralized manner.


In many nations, an engineer is not required to be licensed in order to be employed as an engineer, and the employer is liable for proper engineering judgment of the employee. However, in many countries, an engineer seeking to enter into private practice or perform public works, must, by law, become registered in their discipline, but with no mobility to perform professional engineering work, internationally without additional licenses, despite the laws of physics and engineering principals remaining unchanged across national borders.  Each nation establishes their own "standard" for registration to use as a rule or basis of comparison in measuring or judging capacity, quantity, content, value, or quality. For professional engineers that usually includes: education. experience, examination and character.  Problems with centralised registration or licensing of professional engineers include:

  1. No international comity for the engineering profession

  • Large engineering tasks often require international mobility, computer literacy, modern quality training, professional accountability, technical competence, bi-culturalism, and bi-linguality, but no centralized and globally recognised professional registration body for professional engineers working internationally exists, and, if it did exist, the professional engineering mobility standard would likely be the lowest common denominator acceptable to member nations.


Conversely, cryptographic value-tokens which could represent quantity and quality of professional engineering claims generated in a blockchain, and verified/validated by a large network of peer engineers from around the world, in a delegated proof-of-stake algorithm, might ultimately fulfill that role in away that is acceptable to legislators, regulators, institutions, international clients and their underwriters of financial risk.


An interesting and thoughtful paper that touches on this subject is:
  1. Blockchain Technology: Implications and Opportunities For Professional Engineers  - National Society of Professional Engineers; 2015-2016 FinTech Task Force; July 2016 Daniel R. Robles, P.E., Chairman Keith Beatty, P.E. William Begg, P.E. John Conway, P.E. David D’Amico, P.E., F.NSPE Mark Davy, P.E., F.NSPE, Rick Ensz, P.E. John Evangelisti, P.E. Bart Hogan, P.E. Bradley Layton, Ph.D., P.E. Tom Maheady, P.E., F.NSPE Robert Uddin, P.E. Chad Williams, P.E.

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    David, very interesting post.


    What do you think Engineers who are not registered nor follow PE protocol?

    You know in the US if I'm not mistaken very large % - the majority of the Engineers are not licensed PEs.

    How will distributed global network of engineers handle, classify the not registered but equally talented and experienced engineers?

    They are not stamping or officially approving designs in the PE protocol or similar.

    Proof of work is interesting, will require legislation? What can and can't employers share, privacy laws etc.

    "Conversely, cryptographic value-tokens which could represent quantity and quality of professional engineering claims generated in a blockchain, and verified/validated by a large network of peer engineers from around the world, in a delegated proof-of-stake algorithm, might ultimately fulfill that role in a way that is acceptable to legislators, regulators, institutions, international clients and their underwriters of financial risk." this I find very strong motivator for even higher trust in peer review process be it for registration uses or screening job candidates.

    But again it will need to comply with regulations on what can and can't be revealed, released and at times malicious personal attacks/sabotage and unfair competition so cheks and protections will need to be in place.


    Curiosumé is also a very interesting concept, I wonder how will it address multiple resumes some candidates have. Over years people gain and develop many skills at

    times not possible to put on CV all of it into two pages. So people have multiple resumes with shifting focus on their experiences. So as secured personal digital API what

    control will candidate Engineers have over how data is being accessed by potential employers?

    Some candidates may want to highlight their experience in financial verticals vs automotive, or leadership and managerial skills vs direct contributor, design Engineer skills etc.

    I'm in my early stages with blockchain technology maybe 3 months into learning the basics.


    As for international mobility, I wonder if one of the players should be WFEO - World Federation of Engineering Organizations?  The World Federation of Engineering Organizations is an international, non-governmental organization representing the engineering profession worldwide.

    They may provide the initial stage for international comity for the engineering profession.  In Europe, they have some 25 national members (countries) including the UK. 5 members in North America including Canada and USA. Plus Asia, the Arab region, Africa and South America.  They have the stage for the international worldwide activities.

    International Members



    Commonwealth Engineers Council (CEC)



    Engineering Association of Mediterranean Countries (EAMC)



    Federation of Arab Engineers (FAE)



    Federation of African Engineering Organisations (FAEO)



    Fédération Européenne d'Associations Nationales d’Ingénieurs (FEANI)



    Federation of Engineering Institutions of Asia and the Pacific (FEIAP)



    Federation of Engineering Institutions of South and Central Asia (FEISCA)



    Pan American Federation of Engineering Societies (UPADI)



    Union of Scientific and Engineering Associations (USEA)



    World Council of Civil Engineers (WCCE)


    Regards,


    Moshe Michael W


     


     

  • To be clear, I'm not advocating anyone outcome, just trying to provoke a thoughtful discussion of what the future may hold. What is clear is that there will be many use cases for applying distributed ledger technologies (DLT) and DLT will likely be implemented in many different ways.  The main problem that DLT/blockchain-like technologies solves results from the fact that computer databases do not communicate well with each other without a layer of human administration or centralised bureaucratic central authority controlling every node. DLT/Blockchain technology is a single, decentralized encrypted knowledge-base managed by software and shared by multiple users, without any third party authority. This makes processing transactions less costly and less error-prone. DLT enables process efficiency because new links can form as needed, and improves organizational efficiency because no centralised management gatekeepers are needed.

    To answer some of your questions, in part:
    1. Adoption of new technologies takes time and the extent of adoption varies across use cases.  It's likely that, as is the case now, some engineers will choose not to be licensed, seek professional registration, or participate in a distributed peer verified/validated crypto-technology based system.  The CEng is essentially a paper form-based peer assessment by  trained, experienced engineers registered centrally with a Professional Engineering Institute (PEI). One can envision the Engineering Council (EC) or others implementing a Blockchain based process with engineers and/or PEIs validating block transactions throughout someone's career (including: education, training, competencies, experience, knowledge) according to value-tokens derived from how well trained, educated and experienced peer reviewers who are in a particular engineering field, as validated by their peers or PEIs). Verifications could be done by PEI representatives, peer engingeers, or both.  This means that the more value-tokens are "owned" by a peer reviewer, the more verification kudos he or she has (i.e. proof of stake). PEIs would likely accumulate higher value over time, if the partipate. There are other scenarios that could be contemplated and ultimately realised too, including reduced professional liability insurance for engineers, since blockchain transactions would be verifiable by underwriters and immutable.

    • With regard to your comments on Curiosumé, many of the issues you raise are already addressed.  See this YouTube video.  There is ownership of one’s Personal API, so access, in whole or in part, can be controlled, and shared, in whole or in part, or even shared anonymously. There could be anonymity until point of transaction, Deploying multiple personas is possible. Since Curiosumé semantic knowledge assets are machine-readable, they can generate matches, proximity measurements, relevance and importance rankings, and predicted probabilities of various outcomes to help match relevant parts of personas to project or job requirements.

    • Your intuition is valid and hopefully, all the international organizations you mentioned are studying the applications and implications surrounding DLT.


    DLT driven innovation has begun, business cases that may never have been viable become viable today.

  • bring me up to speed with one paragraph 



    A distributed ledger is essentially an asset database that can be shared across a network of multiple sites, geographies or institutions. All participants within a network can have their own identical copy of the ledger. Any changes to the ledger are reflected in all copies. The assets can be financial, legal, physical or electronic. The security and accuracy of the assets stored in the ledger are maintained cryptographically through the use of ‘keys’ and signatures to control who can do what within the shared ledger. Entries can also be updated by one, some or all of the participants, according to rules agreed by the network.

    Source: Distributed Ledger Technology: beyond block chain (PDF Report). UK Government, Office for Science. January 2016