Mehmood Birdi:
If you could hypothetically remove surgeons (and assosiated medical research staff) from the medical profession with a magic wand; so that only general practitioners, nurses, and skilled medical staff (who operate ct scanners, x-ray machines etc) would remain to man the front line; what do you suppose would be their prospects to continue to survive as a profession? Could hospitals continue to exist?
Most surgeons in NHS hospitals are titled Mr / Mrs rather Dr, so they are probably of a lower status than a consultant or a GP. I think that surgeons are also inside the Agenda for Change pay band structure, whereas doctors are not, so they can't set their own salaries based on performance or experience. The primary function of the NHS is providing front line services for established medical conditions rather than carrying out medical research. There is a general belief that the NHS should provide a better quality of service for the services that it already provides rather than expanding to new services or carrying out medical research.
Likewise, if you could magically, remove all of the engineers (whether EC registered or not) who apply advance mathematical tools as part of their work; so that only apprenticeship based practical engineers, and technicians were left behind to carry on with the work. What would be their prospects of surviving the demands put on them as engineers and managers?
It depends on the company that they are employed for. In the UK the majority of engineering companies are SMEs and it's probably safe to say that only a fraction of them do any real cutting edge research that requires deep and advanced knowledge of mathematics, physics, or other fundamentals. Companies that research semiconductor physics require a lot in the way of 'brains' of PhD level whereas companies that design products based around off the shelf ICs soldered on a PCB can often get by successfully by folk with only HNC or A Level knowledge backed up by some self study here and there.
Mehmood Birdi:
If you could hypothetically remove surgeons (and assosiated medical research staff) from the medical profession with a magic wand; so that only general practitioners, nurses, and skilled medical staff (who operate ct scanners, x-ray machines etc) would remain to man the front line; what do you suppose would be their prospects to continue to survive as a profession? Could hospitals continue to exist?
Most surgeons in NHS hospitals are titled Mr / Mrs rather Dr, so they are probably of a lower status than a consultant or a GP. I think that surgeons are also inside the Agenda for Change pay band structure, whereas doctors are not, so they can't set their own salaries based on performance or experience. The primary function of the NHS is providing front line services for established medical conditions rather than carrying out medical research. There is a general belief that the NHS should provide a better quality of service for the services that it already provides rather than expanding to new services or carrying out medical research.
Likewise, if you could magically, remove all of the engineers (whether EC registered or not) who apply advance mathematical tools as part of their work; so that only apprenticeship based practical engineers, and technicians were left behind to carry on with the work. What would be their prospects of surviving the demands put on them as engineers and managers?
It depends on the company that they are employed for. In the UK the majority of engineering companies are SMEs and it's probably safe to say that only a fraction of them do any real cutting edge research that requires deep and advanced knowledge of mathematics, physics, or other fundamentals. Companies that research semiconductor physics require a lot in the way of 'brains' of PhD level whereas companies that design products based around off the shelf ICs soldered on a PCB can often get by successfully by folk with only HNC or A Level knowledge backed up by some self study here and there.
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