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UNC and UNF fasteners in Britain

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Almost all British machinery manufactured before 1950 used Whitworth, BSF, or BA fasteners. Manufacturers moved towards using metric fasteners in the 1970s and these have been the most commonly available and used family since 1980, although the proposal to use metric fasteners dates back 1965. Whitworth and BSF officially became obsolete in 1948 following an agreement between the UK, US, and Canada to standardise on the American UNC and UNF fasteners for future use. UNC and UNF fasteners were used in British machinery manufactured in the 1950s, 60s, and 70s where they gradually replaced Whitworth and BSF before themselves being replaced by metric fasteners.


1. Were UNC and UNF fasteners used across most industries in the UK or were they largely confined to specific industries such as automotive and machine tools? Were they regularly used in railways or shipbuilding?

2. Were the numbered sizes smaller than ¼ inch commonly used or did industry stick with BA fasteners until they moved to using metric fasteners?

3. Were UNC and UNF fasteners commonly used in construction? What are the most common family of fasteners used to hold together 1960s tower blocks and university buildings?

4. Was it easy to buy UNC and UNF fasteners from hardware and DIY shops in the 1960s and 70s or did they move directly from selling Whitworth and BA fasteners to metric fasteners?
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  • Sorry for the slow reply to all the excellent replies - I was trying to get work finished before holiday, and then I was being away on holiday Relaxed


    Yes, I'd wondered about trying the matchstick (or toothpick) and wax / blue tac idea, the problem is that it is the hole is so small that might be challenging, particularly given the tiny difference in thread pitch I'm trying to measure. 


    The manufacturer is something like "Tew & Sautkey" - it's cast in under a layer of thick enamelling so not easy to make out. I can't find a reference to them (or any name like that) anywhere, if this rings any bells with anyone it would be very interesting to know.


    I'll get hold of a 3/16 BSF screw (I've already got loads of 2BAs) and have a play - I might try gently grinding down the first couple of damaged threads with a cone shaped grinder in a Dremel. If nothing else that'll give me a clue as to how hard this bit of steel is.


    But I will get myself a set of imperial thread gauges anyway when a nice set comes up on eBay etc...I've also just had to work out what the thread is on the drawbar for the chuck so I can buy some new collet chucks, but as that was 3/8" BSW that was easy - (relatively) big and chunky!


    Cheers,


    Andy
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  • Sorry for the slow reply to all the excellent replies - I was trying to get work finished before holiday, and then I was being away on holiday Relaxed


    Yes, I'd wondered about trying the matchstick (or toothpick) and wax / blue tac idea, the problem is that it is the hole is so small that might be challenging, particularly given the tiny difference in thread pitch I'm trying to measure. 


    The manufacturer is something like "Tew & Sautkey" - it's cast in under a layer of thick enamelling so not easy to make out. I can't find a reference to them (or any name like that) anywhere, if this rings any bells with anyone it would be very interesting to know.


    I'll get hold of a 3/16 BSF screw (I've already got loads of 2BAs) and have a play - I might try gently grinding down the first couple of damaged threads with a cone shaped grinder in a Dremel. If nothing else that'll give me a clue as to how hard this bit of steel is.


    But I will get myself a set of imperial thread gauges anyway when a nice set comes up on eBay etc...I've also just had to work out what the thread is on the drawbar for the chuck so I can buy some new collet chucks, but as that was 3/8" BSW that was easy - (relatively) big and chunky!


    Cheers,


    Andy
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