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Why can't men wear shorts at work in the UK?

I don't know whether anyone else here has noticed, but for the last few weeks London hasn't been cold. Not much sign of ice on the Thames. No polar bears. In fact it's been HOT! Really really unpleasantly hot.


So - not for the first time - it's made me wonder why, when women can very sensibly wear floatey dresses or shorts and loose tops for office work, we are still wearing the same trousers-and-shirts that we would in the depth of winter. This was particularly brought home to me this summer, as after three weeks spending quite a bit of time in and around London I'm now back working at home and (clients please avert your eyes now) wearing t shirt, shorts and sandals. It is so much more comfortable for actually getting work done.


Notions of acceptable work wear can and do change, but usually only incrementally. There's the occasional apparently complete change  - as an example we have now got to the state where not wearing a tie is (mostly) completely acceptable, but even this was actually in incremental change. Not through wearing smaller and smaller ties, but rather through "dress down Fridays" spreading through the week. Unfortunately I think the shorts issue is a bit more of a quantum leap.


So thoughts I thought I'd throw out as a lunchtime teaser:

- Are other countries more pragmatic about this?

- Can this be changed in the UK? Has anyone worked in a company that managed it?

- Or is there a really, really good reason why not? (I'm looking forward to the answers to this one )


Cheers,


Andy
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  • Hi Julie,


    Exactly! Funnily enough, what made me actually post this was seeing a music video a couple of days back with, as ever, hip young things in the sunshine - the girls dressed as you described and the guys in shirts and trousers. If it's not acceptable for 20-something "dudes" to wear shorts in a music video, what hope for us "greybeard engineers" in the office! 


    I do remember, many years ago, when I was working somewhere with a broken aircon doing as suggested - I wore shorts in and kept a pair of trousers in the desk drawer in case clients came unexpectedly. Several of us did it - it wasn't popular with our then management but it did in the end get some temporary aircon brought in. 


    Re Lisa's post, I got very cross about that at the time, and was staggered that PwC were acting legally. (I looked into it in some depth, as at the time I was responsible for disciplinary issues and was always keen to keep up with the case law on it. Anyway I'm always interested to see if apparently bonkers legal decisions are what they seem, usually they aren't but as far as I can tell this one was.) There is no requirement for companies to justify their dress code, they just need to be able to defend the fact that it is not discriminatory and that they have given employees "reasonable time" to comply with it. I can see it is difficult to decide where to draw the line, but I would have thought there should be an element of "reasonable justification" for any dress code.


    Just needed a break from a rather challenging safety argument - better get back to it...


    Cheers,


    Andy
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  • Hi Julie,


    Exactly! Funnily enough, what made me actually post this was seeing a music video a couple of days back with, as ever, hip young things in the sunshine - the girls dressed as you described and the guys in shirts and trousers. If it's not acceptable for 20-something "dudes" to wear shorts in a music video, what hope for us "greybeard engineers" in the office! 


    I do remember, many years ago, when I was working somewhere with a broken aircon doing as suggested - I wore shorts in and kept a pair of trousers in the desk drawer in case clients came unexpectedly. Several of us did it - it wasn't popular with our then management but it did in the end get some temporary aircon brought in. 


    Re Lisa's post, I got very cross about that at the time, and was staggered that PwC were acting legally. (I looked into it in some depth, as at the time I was responsible for disciplinary issues and was always keen to keep up with the case law on it. Anyway I'm always interested to see if apparently bonkers legal decisions are what they seem, usually they aren't but as far as I can tell this one was.) There is no requirement for companies to justify their dress code, they just need to be able to defend the fact that it is not discriminatory and that they have given employees "reasonable time" to comply with it. I can see it is difficult to decide where to draw the line, but I would have thought there should be an element of "reasonable justification" for any dress code.


    Just needed a break from a rather challenging safety argument - better get back to it...


    Cheers,


    Andy
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