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1984

Roger B
I have recently finished rereading George Orwell’s 1984 (actually the compendium of all his novels) and was struck by the similarity to the AGW movement(s). 


The basis of 1984  is that the Elite (Inner Party) want absolute and permanent power. If the life of the masses (Prols) is too easy they are hard to control so they are kept in a state of semi poverty by a continuous war which uses up the free resources.


The importance of the war is supported by the Propaganda Machine (Ministry of Truth) that continuously changes history to match the requirements of the Inner Party and to suppress free thought. Those who have any free thought or who challenge the system are taken away by the Thought Police. The need for and support of the war are driven by daily two minute hate sessions and by longer hate weeks. The organisation is run by the Outer Party who get certain limited privileges but are constantly monitored and brainwashed by their ‘Telescreens’.


Looking at today people are already mostly voluntarily locked to their ‘Telescreens’ (Smartphones, Tablets, TVs, etc.) and get most of their information from the Media, especially social media like Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, YouTube, etc. Very few people ever look at what is behind this information and are ripe for being told that Climate Change, AGW, etc. is our war. Rather than just two minute hate sessions we are bombarded with calls to war, most stuff on the BBC science section, David Attenborough’s Climate Change: the Facts, Hottest Day Evaahh, reported Increases in natural disasters, Corbyn’s Climate Emergency, etc. Extinction Rebellion bought the Hate Week around the world. 


The Elite will keep doing just what they want to, buying beach villas, flying round in private jets, living in mansions whilst trying to create energy poverty for the masses to keep them under control. The dash for renewables has significantly increased energy costs wherever it has been implemented, UK, Germany, Australia, etc. The money all goes those who already have money and can afford to pay up front for solar panels, wind turbines, EVs, etc. and get the various government subsidies. The ‘Prols’ just get higher bills.


How many people just believe the Ministry of Truth? How many actually look and see the number of papers and articles that have to be withdrawn or corrected? Dissent is suppressed as far as possible with cries of ‘Denier’ and personal abuse. Scientists are threatened with loss of funding or sacking (the Peter Ridd case in Australia is a ray of hope).


Does anyone else see it like this? Before I am completely flamed I fully support the reduction in the use of our finite resources, reduction of pollution and reduction of our impact on the planet. I don’t think that targeting CO2 is the correct way to achieve these goals.


Best regards


Roger

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    I go to a Church with a very educated congregation, which makes some things rather difficult. A Professor in a science subject was asked by me his view on some of the climate science. He said that his colleagues told him it was all correct and the world would end due to CO2.  Another member, an architect, will not even talk to me anymore (Christian?) because he knows I am somewhat skeptical of much of the science and have spent a lot of hours in the last 4 years studying it! He has a go faster Tesla super-car, so that's all right then! Many of the congregation follow the "Green" agenda fairly avidly, recycling everything, up cycling, collecting 10g of green waste and traveling miles by car to a special dump and so on. When in conversation it becomes immediately obvious that these very well educated people know almost nothing of the science. Simple concepts such as infra-red spectroscopy, or atomic structure are so alien that they say "too difficult" immediately and don't even want an explanation, often because the BBC or David Attenborough says there is "a crisis" and so it must be true. This is equally true unfortunately true of Archbishop Welby, who is busy divesting the Church of any investments not considered "Green enough", because the end of the World is coming. I have tried to argue Genesis Ch 1 with many of these people, and it becomes clear that they don't believe in an omnipotent God either! Very curious.


    Getting back to 1984, we  see the Ministry of Truth running the BBC and many printed papers, bookshops being unwilling to stock skeptical books against the (put whatever you want here, PC, Government, school curriculum etc.), in fact nearly all the mainstream media. Anyone suggesting that this is not right, particularly online, suffers abuse and name calling of a class I have never seen before. In other words people are trying to control other peoples thoughts, fortunately they haven't taken to giving out free drugs (Soma I think in the book) to stop any useful thoughts at all. As Lisa says, it is a religion with very strong controlling features, more like radical Islam then Christianity, even from the Church leaders. How is this happening, because it is a source of significant worry to me that life under 1984 conditions would be entirely intolerable to me, as it was to Smith. We already see history being changed to suit the agenda, particularly temperature records, but that is the thing I have noticed. What else is there that I haven't noticed yet?
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    I go to a Church with a very educated congregation, which makes some things rather difficult. A Professor in a science subject was asked by me his view on some of the climate science. He said that his colleagues told him it was all correct and the world would end due to CO2.  Another member, an architect, will not even talk to me anymore (Christian?) because he knows I am somewhat skeptical of much of the science and have spent a lot of hours in the last 4 years studying it! He has a go faster Tesla super-car, so that's all right then! Many of the congregation follow the "Green" agenda fairly avidly, recycling everything, up cycling, collecting 10g of green waste and traveling miles by car to a special dump and so on. When in conversation it becomes immediately obvious that these very well educated people know almost nothing of the science. Simple concepts such as infra-red spectroscopy, or atomic structure are so alien that they say "too difficult" immediately and don't even want an explanation, often because the BBC or David Attenborough says there is "a crisis" and so it must be true. This is equally true unfortunately true of Archbishop Welby, who is busy divesting the Church of any investments not considered "Green enough", because the end of the World is coming. I have tried to argue Genesis Ch 1 with many of these people, and it becomes clear that they don't believe in an omnipotent God either! Very curious.


    Getting back to 1984, we  see the Ministry of Truth running the BBC and many printed papers, bookshops being unwilling to stock skeptical books against the (put whatever you want here, PC, Government, school curriculum etc.), in fact nearly all the mainstream media. Anyone suggesting that this is not right, particularly online, suffers abuse and name calling of a class I have never seen before. In other words people are trying to control other peoples thoughts, fortunately they haven't taken to giving out free drugs (Soma I think in the book) to stop any useful thoughts at all. As Lisa says, it is a religion with very strong controlling features, more like radical Islam then Christianity, even from the Church leaders. How is this happening, because it is a source of significant worry to me that life under 1984 conditions would be entirely intolerable to me, as it was to Smith. We already see history being changed to suit the agenda, particularly temperature records, but that is the thing I have noticed. What else is there that I haven't noticed yet?
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