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EC UK Quality Assurance Committee on CPD requirement

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Quality Assurance Committee on CPD requirement



Published: 01/11/2018

 



All Engineering Council registrants are committed to maintaining and enhancing their competence, which means undertaking Continuing Professional Development (CPD).

From 1 January 2019, licensed members will be required to sample their registrants’ CPD and sampling activity will become part of the licence review process.
Professionally active registrants who persistently do not respond to or engage with requests for CPD records from their institution risk removal from the Engineering Council Register.


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    David Stone:

    Is it that we have paperwork that says that each of our registered persons still has an interest in engineering, continues to think about its principles every day, is still competent to carry out some kind of engineering work, or some such similar pointless bit of paper?




    To add to Alasdair's excellent post, the answer to this specific question is Yes. Except that I would completely disagree that it is pointless (or that it is a piece of paper), and would add the absolutely critical "...and stays up to date with their field of engineering". For all the reasons I gave further up this thread. Why do we need to prove this? Because the whole point of professional registration is to allow third parties to make a judgement as to the current competence of an engineer to sign off an engineering decision. If they became Chartered (for example) 20 years ago, and since then have worked full time as a project manager, are they still competent to sign off? That is a very. very common scenario.


    We are offering a professional service, we must expect to be asked to demonstrate our current competence.


    And, as Alasdair says,



    ...as far as I can see, everything you have discussed above can be counted as CPD and can be recorded as such.



    so I really don't see the problem here.


    Of the points in the CPD code above the only one I would personally reword given the chance is point 1. There have been very few times in my career when my CPD has followed any plan whatsoever - my CPD "plan" has always been to just say "yes" to every new opportunity! I'd rather this point was stated as each engineer being aware of their shortcomings and looking for opportunities to develop these - which in a rather more formal (but to my mind over-prescriptive) way is what this is saying. I'll bet many of those who insist that their juniors should have a formal CPD plan don't have one themselves...


    Apologies (particularly to David) for the slightly grumpy post, I think it was the word "pointless" that did it.

    Alasdair: I find the trick is to copy it into Notepad first, then copy and paste from there into this editor.


    P.S. For the absolute avoidance of any doubt, I have no formal role whatsoever in the IET or EC regarding CPD. My comments arise solely from my personal and professional views that


    1. Professional registration of engineers is potentially highly valuable to society, and

    • Evidence of ongoing CPD is essential for the validity of professional registration.



    P.P.S

    I don't think the IET have communicated what CPD actually is (or the member's responsibilities) very well at all. So I do have strong sympathy with the many misunderstandings that have come about - hence why I post here about it. But a good process badly communicated can still be a good process.


    Cheers,


    Andy


     

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    David Stone:

    Is it that we have paperwork that says that each of our registered persons still has an interest in engineering, continues to think about its principles every day, is still competent to carry out some kind of engineering work, or some such similar pointless bit of paper?




    To add to Alasdair's excellent post, the answer to this specific question is Yes. Except that I would completely disagree that it is pointless (or that it is a piece of paper), and would add the absolutely critical "...and stays up to date with their field of engineering". For all the reasons I gave further up this thread. Why do we need to prove this? Because the whole point of professional registration is to allow third parties to make a judgement as to the current competence of an engineer to sign off an engineering decision. If they became Chartered (for example) 20 years ago, and since then have worked full time as a project manager, are they still competent to sign off? That is a very. very common scenario.


    We are offering a professional service, we must expect to be asked to demonstrate our current competence.


    And, as Alasdair says,



    ...as far as I can see, everything you have discussed above can be counted as CPD and can be recorded as such.



    so I really don't see the problem here.


    Of the points in the CPD code above the only one I would personally reword given the chance is point 1. There have been very few times in my career when my CPD has followed any plan whatsoever - my CPD "plan" has always been to just say "yes" to every new opportunity! I'd rather this point was stated as each engineer being aware of their shortcomings and looking for opportunities to develop these - which in a rather more formal (but to my mind over-prescriptive) way is what this is saying. I'll bet many of those who insist that their juniors should have a formal CPD plan don't have one themselves...


    Apologies (particularly to David) for the slightly grumpy post, I think it was the word "pointless" that did it.

    Alasdair: I find the trick is to copy it into Notepad first, then copy and paste from there into this editor.


    P.S. For the absolute avoidance of any doubt, I have no formal role whatsoever in the IET or EC regarding CPD. My comments arise solely from my personal and professional views that


    1. Professional registration of engineers is potentially highly valuable to society, and

    • Evidence of ongoing CPD is essential for the validity of professional registration.



    P.P.S

    I don't think the IET have communicated what CPD actually is (or the member's responsibilities) very well at all. So I do have strong sympathy with the many misunderstandings that have come about - hence why I post here about it. But a good process badly communicated can still be a good process.


    Cheers,


    Andy


     

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