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MR16 LED - Halogen equivalence puzzle

Here are two MR16 style lamps I spotted for sale, almost side by side, recently . A 4·5 W LED lamp and a pair of 50 W halogen lamps.

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  1. The LED lamp claims light output 345 lumens.

  • The LED lamp claims equivalent to 50 W halogen.

  • The 50 W halogen lamp claims 680 lumens.


Clearly these three statements cannot all be true simultaneously. What is the typical customer supposed to make of this contradiction? Which statement is true and which is false? I believe the second statement is false, but then I am an engineer.


I do not wish to single out GE; other manufacturers are making similar claims. In fairness to GE, at least it is displaying on its packaging the output in lumens more prominently than anything else, in line with consumer recommendations. Some manufacturers display the equivalent wattage of older style halogen or GLS lamps more prominently than anything else. This is a practice that I deprecate; it is counter-educational and pays no regard to the not-too-distant future, when tungsten lamps will be all but forgotten.


So by what criteria can I make a judgement? I do not have access to an integrating sphere, where I can test these lamps individually for light output. Ideally I would look towards industry and official international standards for specified light output. But LED lamps are still a developing technology; it is not likely that any firm standards have yet been established. I believe that there are official standards for halogen lamps, including MR16 style, but access to these is not easy for me, now that I am no longer in service. It seems I would need to shell out a three-figure sum to purchase a book of as many pages, just to consult a table which probably occupies less than one page. I'm not prepared to do this.


One standard I do know about, however, is BS161 for tungsten filament GLS lamps. This is an obsolete standard, last revised around 1957, I presume then to incorporate coiled coil lamps, which were beginning to penetrate the market. According to that standard, a 60 W pearl lamp gives 665 lumens. Given that halogen lamps are more efficient than ordinary tungsten, it is reasonable to presume that if a 60 W lamp could give this much light all those years ago, the a 50 W halogen can give something similar. This seems to support the 50 W halogen claim of 680 lumens.


Let's look at the situation around 30 years ago. Compact source fluorescent lamps (CSF) were on the market as plug-in replacements for GLS tungsten lamps. Performance of these new lamps was sometimes over-claimed, e.g. 11 W low-energy lamp equivalent to 60 W tungsten, when in fact the 11 W CSF lamp delivered only around 500 lumens. This was the cause of some discontent among consumers and low-energy lamps received a bad press. Nowadays the claims of LED GLS replacements offer good value - 800 lumens as equivalent to 60 W tungsten; in fact this is more like 75 W tungsten. So why are the MR16 LED lamps over-claiming?


Can anyone suggest how this claim of MR16 LED lamp equivalent to 50 W halogen can be justified? Can anyone point to an official standard that will clarify the issue? If I have missed some vital point, I don't think I am the only one.
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  • M. Joshi:

    One set of lamps is GU10 (230V) and the other set is MR16 (12V).  Typically when compared to a halogen equivalent, the MR16 are usually brighter.  This webpage may help to explain:

    https://www.lyco.co.uk/advice/led-gu10-mr16-good-for-what/



    Thank you, M Joshi, for your interest in my thread. I would reply as follows.


    The author of this feature of this dealership seems at first to have the terminology slightly confused. He is comparing GU10 with MR16 - a comparison which I do not think is valid.


    MR stands for multi-faceted reflector, and the number following relates to  the size. I believe that these were originally rated at 12 V, but mains voltage versions subsequently appeared. These are still multi-faceted reflector. They have different caps, to prevent insertion into the wrong supply. The mains version uses the GU10 cap, push and twist to lock, while the 12 V version uses a bi-pin cap described as GU5·3. So GU10 and GU5·3 can be compared side-by-side, referring to caps or volts rating.


    Let us now compare halogen with LED. The construction of the LED versions are not strictly multi-faceted reflector, but the description MR tends to stick because they are plug-in replacements.


    The statement that the lower voltage yields greater efficiency is quite correct. Efficiency is a function of operating current. You can see this effect on the BS161 list; as wattage increases, so does lumens per watt. However the difference in efficiency is marginal. I do not believe that a 230 V 50 W halogen GU10 gives only half the light of a 12 V 50 V halogen GU5·3. Again compare BS 161; 240 V 60 W GLS gives 665 lumens. Even 240 V 40 W GLS beats the LED at 390 lumens.


    Later the author states: "A bulb like the Sylvania LED GU10 is incredibly versatile and will fit into the same fixtures as a traditional Halogen MR16 model, using the GU10 base and being of a similar size." So this is clears up the original misconception; GU10 represents the "base" or cap (the bit that plugs in) for mains voltage. Other pages on this web site list an impressive range of lamps, many claiming to be equivalent to 50 W halogen. But this claim is not backed up by reference to any standards or other official sources of reference. The dealership is merely passing on the misinformation provided by manufactures.  


    I feel I should like to refer this matter to the Advertising Standards Authority for clarification. However I am unable to give pukka sources of reference. An obsolete standard, over 60 years old, is not likely to impress; neither is my memory of former situations or my perception of how things are now. Hence these exaggerated claims continue. I suppose that, given that LED is a developing technology, and sales departments - essential as they are to all firms - come from a different planet than engineers, this is to be expected.

     
     

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  • M. Joshi:

    One set of lamps is GU10 (230V) and the other set is MR16 (12V).  Typically when compared to a halogen equivalent, the MR16 are usually brighter.  This webpage may help to explain:

    https://www.lyco.co.uk/advice/led-gu10-mr16-good-for-what/



    Thank you, M Joshi, for your interest in my thread. I would reply as follows.


    The author of this feature of this dealership seems at first to have the terminology slightly confused. He is comparing GU10 with MR16 - a comparison which I do not think is valid.


    MR stands for multi-faceted reflector, and the number following relates to  the size. I believe that these were originally rated at 12 V, but mains voltage versions subsequently appeared. These are still multi-faceted reflector. They have different caps, to prevent insertion into the wrong supply. The mains version uses the GU10 cap, push and twist to lock, while the 12 V version uses a bi-pin cap described as GU5·3. So GU10 and GU5·3 can be compared side-by-side, referring to caps or volts rating.


    Let us now compare halogen with LED. The construction of the LED versions are not strictly multi-faceted reflector, but the description MR tends to stick because they are plug-in replacements.


    The statement that the lower voltage yields greater efficiency is quite correct. Efficiency is a function of operating current. You can see this effect on the BS161 list; as wattage increases, so does lumens per watt. However the difference in efficiency is marginal. I do not believe that a 230 V 50 W halogen GU10 gives only half the light of a 12 V 50 V halogen GU5·3. Again compare BS 161; 240 V 60 W GLS gives 665 lumens. Even 240 V 40 W GLS beats the LED at 390 lumens.


    Later the author states: "A bulb like the Sylvania LED GU10 is incredibly versatile and will fit into the same fixtures as a traditional Halogen MR16 model, using the GU10 base and being of a similar size." So this is clears up the original misconception; GU10 represents the "base" or cap (the bit that plugs in) for mains voltage. Other pages on this web site list an impressive range of lamps, many claiming to be equivalent to 50 W halogen. But this claim is not backed up by reference to any standards or other official sources of reference. The dealership is merely passing on the misinformation provided by manufactures.  


    I feel I should like to refer this matter to the Advertising Standards Authority for clarification. However I am unable to give pukka sources of reference. An obsolete standard, over 60 years old, is not likely to impress; neither is my memory of former situations or my perception of how things are now. Hence these exaggerated claims continue. I suppose that, given that LED is a developing technology, and sales departments - essential as they are to all firms - come from a different planet than engineers, this is to be expected.

     
     

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