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MR16 LED - Halogen equivalence puzzle

Here are two MR16 style lamps I spotted for sale, almost side by side, recently . A 4·5 W LED lamp and a pair of 50 W halogen lamps.

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  1. The LED lamp claims light output 345 lumens.

  • The LED lamp claims equivalent to 50 W halogen.

  • The 50 W halogen lamp claims 680 lumens.


Clearly these three statements cannot all be true simultaneously. What is the typical customer supposed to make of this contradiction? Which statement is true and which is false? I believe the second statement is false, but then I am an engineer.


I do not wish to single out GE; other manufacturers are making similar claims. In fairness to GE, at least it is displaying on its packaging the output in lumens more prominently than anything else, in line with consumer recommendations. Some manufacturers display the equivalent wattage of older style halogen or GLS lamps more prominently than anything else. This is a practice that I deprecate; it is counter-educational and pays no regard to the not-too-distant future, when tungsten lamps will be all but forgotten.


So by what criteria can I make a judgement? I do not have access to an integrating sphere, where I can test these lamps individually for light output. Ideally I would look towards industry and official international standards for specified light output. But LED lamps are still a developing technology; it is not likely that any firm standards have yet been established. I believe that there are official standards for halogen lamps, including MR16 style, but access to these is not easy for me, now that I am no longer in service. It seems I would need to shell out a three-figure sum to purchase a book of as many pages, just to consult a table which probably occupies less than one page. I'm not prepared to do this.


One standard I do know about, however, is BS161 for tungsten filament GLS lamps. This is an obsolete standard, last revised around 1957, I presume then to incorporate coiled coil lamps, which were beginning to penetrate the market. According to that standard, a 60 W pearl lamp gives 665 lumens. Given that halogen lamps are more efficient than ordinary tungsten, it is reasonable to presume that if a 60 W lamp could give this much light all those years ago, the a 50 W halogen can give something similar. This seems to support the 50 W halogen claim of 680 lumens.


Let's look at the situation around 30 years ago. Compact source fluorescent lamps (CSF) were on the market as plug-in replacements for GLS tungsten lamps. Performance of these new lamps was sometimes over-claimed, e.g. 11 W low-energy lamp equivalent to 60 W tungsten, when in fact the 11 W CSF lamp delivered only around 500 lumens. This was the cause of some discontent among consumers and low-energy lamps received a bad press. Nowadays the claims of LED GLS replacements offer good value - 800 lumens as equivalent to 60 W tungsten; in fact this is more like 75 W tungsten. So why are the MR16 LED lamps over-claiming?


Can anyone suggest how this claim of MR16 LED lamp equivalent to 50 W halogen can be justified? Can anyone point to an official standard that will clarify the issue? If I have missed some vital point, I don't think I am the only one.
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  • I hope my explanation is helpful,

    Let's start with a statement that may sound surprising, but it makes perfect sense - the voltage level settings vary from one state to another, and as a result, the voltage ranges that meet the "high voltage" and "low voltage" settings differ from one country to another. For example, US ANSI C84.1-1989 divides voltage levels into "low voltage" which is from 600V and below, voltage between 600V and 69kV is defined as "medium voltage", voltage between 69kV and 230kV as "high voltage", And a voltage between 230kV and 1,100kV as "particularly high voltage". The voltage range extending from 1,100 kV or higher is called "ultra high voltage". In Israel, on the other hand, the Electricity Regulations (Licenses), 1985, define as "low voltage" voltage up to 1,000 volts, "high voltage" is defined as 1,000 volts or higher, while "upper voltage" is a voltage in operation Exceeds kV33 between conductors.

    What are the differences between Volt, Watt and Ampere?

    Electricity concepts can confuse anyone who is not engaged in the field, or who has not read it neatly and is fed by bits of information roaming the network. The three common basic concepts concerning electricity and its consumption are Volt, Watt and Ampere. In order to explain their differences, let's take an example we all know - irrigation pipe and water flowing through it. The volt, if we use this comparison, the water pressure in the pipe will be measured in volts. But, the water pressure is just one of the two factors that determines in which stream the water came out of the pipe, because the diameter of the pipe also determines. The "diameter" of the pipe, in the case of electricity, shall be indicated on the ampere. It will tell us how many electrons can pass in the width of the "pipe" (in the case of electricity, the same pipe is conductive). Further to the analogy - if the water pressure inside the water pipe is strong it is called "high voltage" and in case the water pressure in the low pipe is called "low voltage".


    Since in Israel, domestic electricity is moving around 230 volts, the higher the amount of amperage (remember? The amount of water passing through the water pipe diameter), we can consume more electricity.


    We were left with the watt, which is easier to explain. Watt will measure how much water is flowing from the pipe in a certain amount of time. That is, in case we have a 230 V voltage and a 40 amp conductor, the maximum power consumption will be 9,200 watts per hour (230X40). The power consumption of devices is marked in watts to let us know how much of the same total current they consume
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  • I hope my explanation is helpful,

    Let's start with a statement that may sound surprising, but it makes perfect sense - the voltage level settings vary from one state to another, and as a result, the voltage ranges that meet the "high voltage" and "low voltage" settings differ from one country to another. For example, US ANSI C84.1-1989 divides voltage levels into "low voltage" which is from 600V and below, voltage between 600V and 69kV is defined as "medium voltage", voltage between 69kV and 230kV as "high voltage", And a voltage between 230kV and 1,100kV as "particularly high voltage". The voltage range extending from 1,100 kV or higher is called "ultra high voltage". In Israel, on the other hand, the Electricity Regulations (Licenses), 1985, define as "low voltage" voltage up to 1,000 volts, "high voltage" is defined as 1,000 volts or higher, while "upper voltage" is a voltage in operation Exceeds kV33 between conductors.

    What are the differences between Volt, Watt and Ampere?

    Electricity concepts can confuse anyone who is not engaged in the field, or who has not read it neatly and is fed by bits of information roaming the network. The three common basic concepts concerning electricity and its consumption are Volt, Watt and Ampere. In order to explain their differences, let's take an example we all know - irrigation pipe and water flowing through it. The volt, if we use this comparison, the water pressure in the pipe will be measured in volts. But, the water pressure is just one of the two factors that determines in which stream the water came out of the pipe, because the diameter of the pipe also determines. The "diameter" of the pipe, in the case of electricity, shall be indicated on the ampere. It will tell us how many electrons can pass in the width of the "pipe" (in the case of electricity, the same pipe is conductive). Further to the analogy - if the water pressure inside the water pipe is strong it is called "high voltage" and in case the water pressure in the low pipe is called "low voltage".


    Since in Israel, domestic electricity is moving around 230 volts, the higher the amount of amperage (remember? The amount of water passing through the water pipe diameter), we can consume more electricity.


    We were left with the watt, which is easier to explain. Watt will measure how much water is flowing from the pipe in a certain amount of time. That is, in case we have a 230 V voltage and a 40 amp conductor, the maximum power consumption will be 9,200 watts per hour (230X40). The power consumption of devices is marked in watts to let us know how much of the same total current they consume
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