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Is it time for the IET to conduct a new Salary Survey - for the benefit of all UK and Ireland Members and Employers?








Is it about time that the IET carried out another UK and Ireland Engineering Salary Survey before Brexit Chaos Ensues ? On 6 Feb 1998 the IEE received responses from some 10,575 UK and Eire based Fellows, Members, Associate Members and Associates at a time when the total UK wide IEE Membership was 69,775. The recent Salary Survey 2019 - published in The Engineer Magazine in collaboration with CBS Butler received responses from just 1568 engineers covering 12 engineering sectors, ranging from Academia, through Rail and Infrastructure, Defence and Security, Automotive, Aerospace, Telecomms/Electronics, Food and Drink, Chemicals, Oil and Gas and Energy/renewables/nuclear, 3 levels of responsibility (Junior, Senior/Manager and Director) and 6 geographical regions. This works out to be 12 x 3 x 6 groups spread over 1568 data points i.e. an average of just 7 data points per cell. Needless to say this Survey could not show either salary medians, upper and lower quartiles nor any analysis on the basis of Class of Membership e.g. Chartered, Incorporated, Technician. By comparison the IEE Salary Survey 1998 covered six responsibility levels and was able to show meaningful statistical data by age group in 5 year age bands from graduation to retirement. The IET alone now has 168,000 members in 150 countries world wide, surely a golden opportunity for a New Salary Survey? The President Elect, Dr Peter Bonfield asked us, at his recent address, entitled 'The Future of Engineering' given on 3rd July 2019, at The University of Hertford, for suggestions to facilitate the ongoing advancement of the IET Profession both individually, collectively, educationally, and reputationally in the public eye in order to encourage many more bright youngsters and school leavers to take Professional Engineering in the UK as their career of first choice. Maybe this survey would provide an up to date view of where we are and where we need to make improvements for the sake of all our futures.




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  • Thanks Andy for your excellent ideas regarding role surveys and addressing/explaining the relationships between breadth of skills, responsibility level, vs depth of specialism/scarcity of expertise and the corresponding relationhship to salary that can be negotiated or commanded. Also, I whole heartedly support your comment about encouraging the Engineer to consider moving away from that highly paid (potentially), high pressure job in London to a less stressful but maybe more fulfilling role outside the professional, 'performance related pay rat race' and/or not spending most of your weekends/spare time travelling to and from foreign climes and only having about one day e.g mid-day Saturday to mid-day Sunday relaxing at home with the family, or just as bad spending several weeks/months 'away from home' and living on 'weight enhancing' hotel food whilst effectivley 'living out of a suitcase' with only close work colleagues as social companions. Let us hope that we can see these life stlye choices being taught to our younsters in school-  since we see so many who are overly concerned with such things as personal appearance, material wealth, relentless 'networking' via social media and so called smart phone apps etc. It would be so refreshing to see a movement back to what might be called the 'make do and mend for now' culture that has served the 'post war baby boomers generation' so well and that makes us individually so endlessly popular and 'in demand' to 'fix things' amongst our friends and familiies. For goodness sake - we do not need a samrt phone APP to tell us how to change a light bulb, check the health of a car battery, or determine whether a fuse has blown and if so why. ...! !

    Still 'Living in hope' - with the wonderful gift of having 2 very bright Grandsons aged 6 and 9 (going on 9 and 12!) both competing as siblings but also showing great potential and promise for the future as demonstrated by their rapidly growing STEM skills, both constantly questioning 'why' and posessing a marvellous sense of nonesense and seeking out the fun and purpose in everything they do !! ..:-) (-:






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  • Thanks Andy for your excellent ideas regarding role surveys and addressing/explaining the relationships between breadth of skills, responsibility level, vs depth of specialism/scarcity of expertise and the corresponding relationhship to salary that can be negotiated or commanded. Also, I whole heartedly support your comment about encouraging the Engineer to consider moving away from that highly paid (potentially), high pressure job in London to a less stressful but maybe more fulfilling role outside the professional, 'performance related pay rat race' and/or not spending most of your weekends/spare time travelling to and from foreign climes and only having about one day e.g mid-day Saturday to mid-day Sunday relaxing at home with the family, or just as bad spending several weeks/months 'away from home' and living on 'weight enhancing' hotel food whilst effectivley 'living out of a suitcase' with only close work colleagues as social companions. Let us hope that we can see these life stlye choices being taught to our younsters in school-  since we see so many who are overly concerned with such things as personal appearance, material wealth, relentless 'networking' via social media and so called smart phone apps etc. It would be so refreshing to see a movement back to what might be called the 'make do and mend for now' culture that has served the 'post war baby boomers generation' so well and that makes us individually so endlessly popular and 'in demand' to 'fix things' amongst our friends and familiies. For goodness sake - we do not need a samrt phone APP to tell us how to change a light bulb, check the health of a car battery, or determine whether a fuse has blown and if so why. ...! !

    Still 'Living in hope' - with the wonderful gift of having 2 very bright Grandsons aged 6 and 9 (going on 9 and 12!) both competing as siblings but also showing great potential and promise for the future as demonstrated by their rapidly growing STEM skills, both constantly questioning 'why' and posessing a marvellous sense of nonesense and seeking out the fun and purpose in everything they do !! ..:-) (-:






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