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DESERT 100 MEGAWATTS PER SQUARE KILOMETRE. HOW CAN WE MOVE IT TO THE UK ??

Solar panels are quite inefficient as the radiation shining on the earth surface is over 1 kW per square metre but we will be lucky at midday to manage to capture 100 Watts.  But yet this is a really large amount of energy if we had say a square kilometre of panels.  I calculate it to be 100 MWatts at peak.  Recently I was Chile in the Atacama desert and took attached photo thumbnail?appId=YMailNorrin&downloadWhen


Now there are power lines there but we only saw one block of solar panels during our 1000 km trip.   There is no vegetation for animals to eat and no water for trees so the land is just barren a useless waste of space but if used to collect energy a miraculous godsend.  Putting solar panels up in England is wasteful of land that can be used for agriculture and anyway we do not receive the full desert heat that the Sahara can supply.

What if UK were to purchase 10km by 10km or 100 square kilometres of desert which at peak gives 10 gigaWatts of power nearly a quarter of our power needs but how to transmit it is a problem that needs solving unless we do a deal with Gibraltar/Spain sort of import/export deal?.
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    Clive, you raise an important point about blindly moving from a fossil-fuel funded elitist governing scenario (OPEC oil and gas) to a clean energy funded elitist governing scenario (wind, solar, wave, tidal, etc) via a 'business/operating as usual' approach. Many country elites will exploit their nation's natural resources and populations no matter what they are governing over (diamonds, gold, wheat, water, cattle, minerals, land, energy, etc), so IMHO this is a wider issue than just contracting with countries for better/cleaner energy of various colours and flavours.


    However, I believe a transition to clean and responsible energy offers an opportunity to evolve the political and economic engagement with country elites and transition to responsible governance and responsible business arrangements. However, changing from poor governance by corrupt elites into better governance ethos (not necessarily a western governance model) with responsible and ethnically/culturally/religiously fairer governments that work better for the good, and citizens, of a nation will take strong incentives to change, nudging with the right 'carrots and sticks', and personal, business, ethical and cultural change for many.


    How does one break the negativity of 'power corrupts' cycles and stressed and strained cultures ingrained in many societies?


    Our democracies in the west aren't perfect as we still have many elites, inequalities and poverty within our 'democratic' countries. We have also suffered the 'blow back' consequences (but not necessarily learned the lessons of) trying to impose 'western democracy' on nations that may not be suited to our model of operating, and have violently rejected 'imposed imperialism, Westernism, and capitalism' that ignores embedded wider issues.


    However, some form of 'nationally attuned benevolent dictatorship' could turn countries around - but when does a benevolent dictator just become a dictator? Many cite Singapore, early Turkey, Oman, Seychelles, as examples of countries that provide good governance via a form of benevolent dictatorship. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benevolent_dictatorship 

     

    There will always be the 'exploiters' and the 'exploited', but perhaps we could reduce the latter with smarter use of clean energy to bring 'power to the people'?
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    Clive, you raise an important point about blindly moving from a fossil-fuel funded elitist governing scenario (OPEC oil and gas) to a clean energy funded elitist governing scenario (wind, solar, wave, tidal, etc) via a 'business/operating as usual' approach. Many country elites will exploit their nation's natural resources and populations no matter what they are governing over (diamonds, gold, wheat, water, cattle, minerals, land, energy, etc), so IMHO this is a wider issue than just contracting with countries for better/cleaner energy of various colours and flavours.


    However, I believe a transition to clean and responsible energy offers an opportunity to evolve the political and economic engagement with country elites and transition to responsible governance and responsible business arrangements. However, changing from poor governance by corrupt elites into better governance ethos (not necessarily a western governance model) with responsible and ethnically/culturally/religiously fairer governments that work better for the good, and citizens, of a nation will take strong incentives to change, nudging with the right 'carrots and sticks', and personal, business, ethical and cultural change for many.


    How does one break the negativity of 'power corrupts' cycles and stressed and strained cultures ingrained in many societies?


    Our democracies in the west aren't perfect as we still have many elites, inequalities and poverty within our 'democratic' countries. We have also suffered the 'blow back' consequences (but not necessarily learned the lessons of) trying to impose 'western democracy' on nations that may not be suited to our model of operating, and have violently rejected 'imposed imperialism, Westernism, and capitalism' that ignores embedded wider issues.


    However, some form of 'nationally attuned benevolent dictatorship' could turn countries around - but when does a benevolent dictator just become a dictator? Many cite Singapore, early Turkey, Oman, Seychelles, as examples of countries that provide good governance via a form of benevolent dictatorship. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benevolent_dictatorship 

     

    There will always be the 'exploiters' and the 'exploited', but perhaps we could reduce the latter with smarter use of clean energy to bring 'power to the people'?
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