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What is really a Scientist and how one becomes a such highly prized person? Is it the following route a valid one to become a worthy scientist?

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Premise: As far as I I know the term " Scientist" in not protected by law all over the world ( it is like " Engineer" in UK) so it my be used by anyone independently by his/her education level and orientation.
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    Luciano Bacco:

    Dear CEng Moshe,

    Not in all Countries Licensure or similar restrictions give a guarantee of a immediate sound PROFESSIONAL COMPETENCE. For example here in Italy, where the term "Ingegnere" ( Engineer) is restricted only to the ones that have either a three-year or a five-year  or both) University degree in Engineering Science and they are called here " Dottori in Ingegneria" (Doctors of Engineering) and they become " Ingegneri" (Professional Engineers) only after sitting and successfully passing the prescribed PURELY THEORETICAL STATE EXAMINATION in their own branch of specialization-no additional requirement of a period of practical training and experience  is called for them!

    On the other hand for lower professional qualifications such as " Geometra" (Surveyor) and Perito Industriale ( industrial Expert) a two year-period of practical training is also required!

    In synthesis: For the State granting title of Dottore Ingegnere (Dott Ing), that is, PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER (!...) a University degree + State Theoretical Examination-practical training and experience no needed!... In other words these last counts nothing!

    And not to neglect, Italian engineers consider themselves, perhaps presumtuously, the best of the world!,,,




    Same in some other countries, in Israel, for example, one completed an engineering degree that is properly recognized is eligible to register with the chamber register of Engineers and Architects.

    By law in Israel, this person can be called, Engineer.

    The hiring company will perform an assessment, examinations, interviews and if there is a requirement for experience for the position this person will not get the job.

    But if there are more entry-level engineer jobs that person may qualify for the job, pending thy satisfied other requirements and assessments.

    For other Engineers, there is a grade at which they can be hired as Professional Workers, it usually pays less and has fewer benefits. Also, there is a similar law and register for Technicians and Technologists.

    Many private companies don't adhere to these regulations and have creative ways to hire talented professionals by titling them, Developers, Experts, Specialists, etc.


    In the USA Licensed Engineer will have to graduate from the ABET-accredited program in Engineering pass Engineer in Traning exam or Principles / Foundation of Engineering Exam.

    Now that the individual is Engineer in Traning, they will have to work for 4 years gaining approved for licensure experience and then finally pass the PE exam.  So there is an element of Engineering Education, + validation of the education and knowledge of theory, etc, Followed by gaining experience and another PE exam.  A rigorous process.  Some jobs require licensed Engineers but there is an industrial exemption that allows employers to hire unlicensed engineers.  

    Not all Engineering jobs required a licensed professional.


    Each country has its way to regulate the profession, some do a lot of regulation, others do less. 







     

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    Luciano Bacco:

    Dear CEng Moshe,

    Not in all Countries Licensure or similar restrictions give a guarantee of a immediate sound PROFESSIONAL COMPETENCE. For example here in Italy, where the term "Ingegnere" ( Engineer) is restricted only to the ones that have either a three-year or a five-year  or both) University degree in Engineering Science and they are called here " Dottori in Ingegneria" (Doctors of Engineering) and they become " Ingegneri" (Professional Engineers) only after sitting and successfully passing the prescribed PURELY THEORETICAL STATE EXAMINATION in their own branch of specialization-no additional requirement of a period of practical training and experience  is called for them!

    On the other hand for lower professional qualifications such as " Geometra" (Surveyor) and Perito Industriale ( industrial Expert) a two year-period of practical training is also required!

    In synthesis: For the State granting title of Dottore Ingegnere (Dott Ing), that is, PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER (!...) a University degree + State Theoretical Examination-practical training and experience no needed!... In other words these last counts nothing!

    And not to neglect, Italian engineers consider themselves, perhaps presumtuously, the best of the world!,,,




    Same in some other countries, in Israel, for example, one completed an engineering degree that is properly recognized is eligible to register with the chamber register of Engineers and Architects.

    By law in Israel, this person can be called, Engineer.

    The hiring company will perform an assessment, examinations, interviews and if there is a requirement for experience for the position this person will not get the job.

    But if there are more entry-level engineer jobs that person may qualify for the job, pending thy satisfied other requirements and assessments.

    For other Engineers, there is a grade at which they can be hired as Professional Workers, it usually pays less and has fewer benefits. Also, there is a similar law and register for Technicians and Technologists.

    Many private companies don't adhere to these regulations and have creative ways to hire talented professionals by titling them, Developers, Experts, Specialists, etc.


    In the USA Licensed Engineer will have to graduate from the ABET-accredited program in Engineering pass Engineer in Traning exam or Principles / Foundation of Engineering Exam.

    Now that the individual is Engineer in Traning, they will have to work for 4 years gaining approved for licensure experience and then finally pass the PE exam.  So there is an element of Engineering Education, + validation of the education and knowledge of theory, etc, Followed by gaining experience and another PE exam.  A rigorous process.  Some jobs require licensed Engineers but there is an industrial exemption that allows employers to hire unlicensed engineers.  

    Not all Engineering jobs required a licensed professional.


    Each country has its way to regulate the profession, some do a lot of regulation, others do less. 







     

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