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Cold weather performance of air sourced heat pumps

Any heat pump experts on here? I’m looking at air sourced heat pump performance for a friend’s installation. They have NIBE F2040’s for the house, and Waterco Ultra 31’s for pool. Both use same R410A refrigerant, but that seem to be perhaps the only thing in common. NIBE (made in Sweden) twin rotary variable speed compressors are inverter controlled as standard (I guess vector or torque type drives), whilst the Waterco units are direct on line, capacitor start induction motors (I thought that technology went out long ago), with no soft start options.
 I’m interested in COP performance in the colder weather, the Ultra 31’s are specified as generally for use in ambient greater than 10 degrees C, although they do rate this particular model down to zero, BUT do not provide COP performance below 5 ambient, but enquiries suggest a COP of around 1 (perhaps even lower, ie, less power out than in!). The NIBE manufactures claim very much better, performance down to at least -25 ambient, with COP of around 2 even at this low temperature (is that even possible?).
Anyway, any thoughts on the subject, much appreciated.

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  • Wow, that’s a great response thank you mapj1, more that I could have hoped for, I’m a mere novice by comparison, especially now being 10 years into retirement (from a broad and varied engineering career) with the old brain box perhaps going a bit rusty. Thank you Benyamin too, all such discussion is much appreciated. Now to think about and absorb just what mapj1 has said, and read up on his links, great stuff.
    For now, I’m concentrating on friends electrical supply issues, currently unsuitable for their desirable load demand, and the heat-pumps and pool are being winterised until at least the supply issues are resolved, but I’ll be researching this in the background and hopefully now off to a great start, so thank you both again.

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  • Wow, that’s a great response thank you mapj1, more that I could have hoped for, I’m a mere novice by comparison, especially now being 10 years into retirement (from a broad and varied engineering career) with the old brain box perhaps going a bit rusty. Thank you Benyamin too, all such discussion is much appreciated. Now to think about and absorb just what mapj1 has said, and read up on his links, great stuff.
    For now, I’m concentrating on friends electrical supply issues, currently unsuitable for their desirable load demand, and the heat-pumps and pool are being winterised until at least the supply issues are resolved, but I’ll be researching this in the background and hopefully now off to a great start, so thank you both again.

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