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Going green

The debate in another thread has shifted to the climate debate, so perhaps we should keep it separate.


Publication bias may be detected by what I think is called a funnel plot. Imagine a funnel lying on its side.


On the X-axis, you have the power of the study - high powered studies are nearer to the truth so they lie in the stem of the funnel.


On the Y-axis you have the finding of each study - whether the activity is beneficial or not. The middle of the neck of the funnel is the best estimate of the true value.


At the left of the plot, the wide bit of the funnel, lie low powered studies. Some will show that the activity is beneficial, some the reverse. So if you look at the risk of smoking, some low powered studies should have shown that it was beneficial. IIRC, studies showing that smoking was beneficial were not published. That may be because the authors chose not to submit, or editors chose not to accept.


I have no idea whether this sort of plot has been done for the climate debate, but it ought to have been.


I accept David Z's argument that the climate has warmed and cooled long before industry appeared (even on a Roman scale), but what bugs me is the doctrine that we cannot afford to get it wrong.


Does anybody here know how man-made energy compares with the amount which arrives from the sun?
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    Chris Pearson:


    Does anybody here know how man-made energy compares with the amount which arrives from the sun?




     

    It's not exactly man made because the fossil fuels we now burn were originally the energy of the sun stored up for a wee while  - if we believe the likes of Max Fordham, a gramme of fossil fuel laid down per second is now being burnt at a rate of 5000kg a second - so probably not sustainable regardless of your view on climate change


    In terms of energy transfer, we get a vast amount of solar energy which we tend not to use - typically we tend to only use about 0.1% of what arrives - that said, it's not so easy to capture it and make it useful


    There is no doubt that we could get this wrong - but wrong is only going to be a bit of a hiccup to the planet and possibly catastrophic to homo sapien  - which may or may not be of consequence


    For sure if it does go wrong, it's all going to get a bit noisy as we scramble around saving "our" tribe  - which will probably do for more souls than a changing climate would


    Personally, I'm for the precautionary principle - and being economic with our resource use is never a bad thing at many levels


    Regards


    OMS
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    Chris Pearson:


    Does anybody here know how man-made energy compares with the amount which arrives from the sun?




     

    It's not exactly man made because the fossil fuels we now burn were originally the energy of the sun stored up for a wee while  - if we believe the likes of Max Fordham, a gramme of fossil fuel laid down per second is now being burnt at a rate of 5000kg a second - so probably not sustainable regardless of your view on climate change


    In terms of energy transfer, we get a vast amount of solar energy which we tend not to use - typically we tend to only use about 0.1% of what arrives - that said, it's not so easy to capture it and make it useful


    There is no doubt that we could get this wrong - but wrong is only going to be a bit of a hiccup to the planet and possibly catastrophic to homo sapien  - which may or may not be of consequence


    For sure if it does go wrong, it's all going to get a bit noisy as we scramble around saving "our" tribe  - which will probably do for more souls than a changing climate would


    Personally, I'm for the precautionary principle - and being economic with our resource use is never a bad thing at many levels


    Regards


    OMS
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