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Going green

The debate in another thread has shifted to the climate debate, so perhaps we should keep it separate.


Publication bias may be detected by what I think is called a funnel plot. Imagine a funnel lying on its side.


On the X-axis, you have the power of the study - high powered studies are nearer to the truth so they lie in the stem of the funnel.


On the Y-axis you have the finding of each study - whether the activity is beneficial or not. The middle of the neck of the funnel is the best estimate of the true value.


At the left of the plot, the wide bit of the funnel, lie low powered studies. Some will show that the activity is beneficial, some the reverse. So if you look at the risk of smoking, some low powered studies should have shown that it was beneficial. IIRC, studies showing that smoking was beneficial were not published. That may be because the authors chose not to submit, or editors chose not to accept.


I have no idea whether this sort of plot has been done for the climate debate, but it ought to have been.


I accept David Z's argument that the climate has warmed and cooled long before industry appeared (even on a Roman scale), but what bugs me is the doctrine that we cannot afford to get it wrong.


Does anybody here know how man-made energy compares with the amount which arrives from the sun?
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  • Firstly for Lisa, perhaps (stealing the wording from UK-Spec) "Sustainable Development". Another option is "International Concerns". However I am not particularly enamoured with either of these, so if you think of something better then go with it.

    To get the discussion back on track:

    1. How sure are we that man's activities are making a significant difference to the whole Earth climate?



    I don't think we can be 100% sure. However many eminent people who have looked at this say it is making a difference and the likelihood does seem to be on their side. How significant it is I can't say but we are in a difficult situation in that if we ignore the situation until the evidence is incontrovertible it will probably be too late.


    2. Is it possible to make everyone on the Earth follow the mechanism to change the climate in some way, and if they don't can we make a change at all?



    Possibly not, but if we don't make a change but instead carry on as if it didn't matter it makes it even more difficult to persuade others to change their ways.

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  • Firstly for Lisa, perhaps (stealing the wording from UK-Spec) "Sustainable Development". Another option is "International Concerns". However I am not particularly enamoured with either of these, so if you think of something better then go with it.

    To get the discussion back on track:

    1. How sure are we that man's activities are making a significant difference to the whole Earth climate?



    I don't think we can be 100% sure. However many eminent people who have looked at this say it is making a difference and the likelihood does seem to be on their side. How significant it is I can't say but we are in a difficult situation in that if we ignore the situation until the evidence is incontrovertible it will probably be too late.


    2. Is it possible to make everyone on the Earth follow the mechanism to change the climate in some way, and if they don't can we make a change at all?



    Possibly not, but if we don't make a change but instead carry on as if it didn't matter it makes it even more difficult to persuade others to change their ways.

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