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Going green

The debate in another thread has shifted to the climate debate, so perhaps we should keep it separate.


Publication bias may be detected by what I think is called a funnel plot. Imagine a funnel lying on its side.


On the X-axis, you have the power of the study - high powered studies are nearer to the truth so they lie in the stem of the funnel.


On the Y-axis you have the finding of each study - whether the activity is beneficial or not. The middle of the neck of the funnel is the best estimate of the true value.


At the left of the plot, the wide bit of the funnel, lie low powered studies. Some will show that the activity is beneficial, some the reverse. So if you look at the risk of smoking, some low powered studies should have shown that it was beneficial. IIRC, studies showing that smoking was beneficial were not published. That may be because the authors chose not to submit, or editors chose not to accept.


I have no idea whether this sort of plot has been done for the climate debate, but it ought to have been.


I accept David Z's argument that the climate has warmed and cooled long before industry appeared (even on a Roman scale), but what bugs me is the doctrine that we cannot afford to get it wrong.


Does anybody here know how man-made energy compares with the amount which arrives from the sun?
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  • Like Dave I have been following the whole Climate Change/AGW for some time. I started from finding the rubbish that the Green Movement spouted about radioactivity and ionising radiation (my job involves very high levels of radiation so I had a vested interest in knowing the real risks) and wondering if the same applied to what was said about the climate. I am old enough to remember the Global Cooling worries of the 1970s and have seen many predictions that have not come to pass.

    As I have said in my 1984 thread it all seems to be about political control and this was supported by the piece from Ms Thunberg et al:

    “After all, the climate crisis is not just about the environment. It is a crisis of human rights, of justice, and of political will. Colonial, racist, and patriarchal systems of oppression have created and fueled it. We need to dismantle them all. Our political leaders can no longer shirk their responsibilities.”

    www.project-syndicate.org/.../climate-strikes-un-conference-madrid-by-greta-thunberg-et-al-2019-11

    I have posted my summary of the state of climate knowledge elsewhere so I won't duplicate it here.
    https://communities.theiet.org/discussions/viewtopic/807/24813?post_id=126994#p126994

    The climate is changing, has changed and will continue to change with or without us. We need to reduce our impact on the planet and carefully consider our use of finite resources. All this requires a large amount of engineering input which I am currently not seeing. The IET just seems to spout ‘Greenwash’ in E&T. ‘The Engineer’ Magazine blocks any comments that don’t follow their ‘Green’ agenda.

    I expect to see the IET publishing papers on the practicalities of reinforcing electricity distribution systems to support EV charging and the removal of gas and oil heating. How many additional substations are required to double (or more) the number of feed points to the 400V local distribution network? This is probably less disruptive than digging up the roads to install more or larger cables. How many new nuclear power stations do we need to supply this load? How does the grid need to be expanded/reinforced to achieve this? How much will this cost? How can we achieve this by whatever ridiculous target is being proposed, 2030, 2035, 2050? It might be possible/sensible by 2100.


    Best regards


    Roger
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  • Like Dave I have been following the whole Climate Change/AGW for some time. I started from finding the rubbish that the Green Movement spouted about radioactivity and ionising radiation (my job involves very high levels of radiation so I had a vested interest in knowing the real risks) and wondering if the same applied to what was said about the climate. I am old enough to remember the Global Cooling worries of the 1970s and have seen many predictions that have not come to pass.

    As I have said in my 1984 thread it all seems to be about political control and this was supported by the piece from Ms Thunberg et al:

    “After all, the climate crisis is not just about the environment. It is a crisis of human rights, of justice, and of political will. Colonial, racist, and patriarchal systems of oppression have created and fueled it. We need to dismantle them all. Our political leaders can no longer shirk their responsibilities.”

    www.project-syndicate.org/.../climate-strikes-un-conference-madrid-by-greta-thunberg-et-al-2019-11

    I have posted my summary of the state of climate knowledge elsewhere so I won't duplicate it here.
    https://communities.theiet.org/discussions/viewtopic/807/24813?post_id=126994#p126994

    The climate is changing, has changed and will continue to change with or without us. We need to reduce our impact on the planet and carefully consider our use of finite resources. All this requires a large amount of engineering input which I am currently not seeing. The IET just seems to spout ‘Greenwash’ in E&T. ‘The Engineer’ Magazine blocks any comments that don’t follow their ‘Green’ agenda.

    I expect to see the IET publishing papers on the practicalities of reinforcing electricity distribution systems to support EV charging and the removal of gas and oil heating. How many additional substations are required to double (or more) the number of feed points to the 400V local distribution network? This is probably less disruptive than digging up the roads to install more or larger cables. How many new nuclear power stations do we need to supply this load? How does the grid need to be expanded/reinforced to achieve this? How much will this cost? How can we achieve this by whatever ridiculous target is being proposed, 2030, 2035, 2050? It might be possible/sensible by 2100.


    Best regards


    Roger
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