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Going green

The debate in another thread has shifted to the climate debate, so perhaps we should keep it separate.


Publication bias may be detected by what I think is called a funnel plot. Imagine a funnel lying on its side.


On the X-axis, you have the power of the study - high powered studies are nearer to the truth so they lie in the stem of the funnel.


On the Y-axis you have the finding of each study - whether the activity is beneficial or not. The middle of the neck of the funnel is the best estimate of the true value.


At the left of the plot, the wide bit of the funnel, lie low powered studies. Some will show that the activity is beneficial, some the reverse. So if you look at the risk of smoking, some low powered studies should have shown that it was beneficial. IIRC, studies showing that smoking was beneficial were not published. That may be because the authors chose not to submit, or editors chose not to accept.


I have no idea whether this sort of plot has been done for the climate debate, but it ought to have been.


I accept David Z's argument that the climate has warmed and cooled long before industry appeared (even on a Roman scale), but what bugs me is the doctrine that we cannot afford to get it wrong.


Does anybody here know how man-made energy compares with the amount which arrives from the sun?
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  • My goodness Roger, someone agrees with me!



    ? I don't think I disagree with you just need to press a few buttons and see what pops out of the vending machine of ideas.  I'm not convinced about either case in the short term  really.  I can see that there will always be flutuations in weather and climate.


    But, I am interested in how human activity can be attributed to fires in California and South Eastern Australia and then end up in someones PHD study as an arguement for the abolishment of global warming, (as if human beings can demand that the weather behaves itself)  then throw in volcanic erruptions and earthquakes in Iceland, Caribean, Meditereanian, the pacific ring  and Indonesia, respectively. Then there is the occasional meteorite bombardment. 


    I think we do more damage to ourselves by becoming neurotic and then complaining too much about things we have absolutely no control over.


    Then there is something called the green issue !.

    How on this earth is the solution to solving this country's problems by planting a million trees per year a sensible idea beats me. I thought we wanted to discourage flooding not start a bl****y rainforest....

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  • My goodness Roger, someone agrees with me!



    ? I don't think I disagree with you just need to press a few buttons and see what pops out of the vending machine of ideas.  I'm not convinced about either case in the short term  really.  I can see that there will always be flutuations in weather and climate.


    But, I am interested in how human activity can be attributed to fires in California and South Eastern Australia and then end up in someones PHD study as an arguement for the abolishment of global warming, (as if human beings can demand that the weather behaves itself)  then throw in volcanic erruptions and earthquakes in Iceland, Caribean, Meditereanian, the pacific ring  and Indonesia, respectively. Then there is the occasional meteorite bombardment. 


    I think we do more damage to ourselves by becoming neurotic and then complaining too much about things we have absolutely no control over.


    Then there is something called the green issue !.

    How on this earth is the solution to solving this country's problems by planting a million trees per year a sensible idea beats me. I thought we wanted to discourage flooding not start a bl****y rainforest....

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