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Fastrack electrician training?

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Considering that the country seems to be short of electricians, I wonder who is going to install all the electric vehicle charging points that will be required very soon as the EV really takes a hold.  I understand that the installer needs to be approved by the OLEV and will need to be trained to C&G2919-02 or similar, but its what comes before that stage that I am concerned about.  From knowing nothing about electricity, it is now possible it seems to become an electrician with just 18 days training (C&G 4141-01, 2393-10, 2382-18).


I did a four year apprenticeship and could understand the training becoming shorter, but 18 days?


Once the EV charger install rush is over what will all these "trained" domestic installers be doing?
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    This ca be of some interest for you:( and not only for you...)
    https://professional-electrician.com/features/solve-electrical-skills-gap/
    https://professional-electrician.com/news/iet-bsi-publish-amendment-1-to-bs-76712018/

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    Thank you Luciano, being retired I haven't got the latest BS7671 and didn't realise that the EV section is available to read free, very interesting.
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    More:
    https://mailchi.mp/electacourse/18th-edition-online-course-2932541?e=16d9ea0b3d
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    You may have missed the point I was trying to make Luciano.


    I am concerned that due to the current shortage of electricians the training can now be very short, compromising safety.
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    Perhaps we need to re-train all the smart meter fitters, who will be unemployed in a couple of years' time?
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    Here in Italy Electricians and Plumbers make most of their professional preparation directly on the field, that is, learning the jobs directly on the field by an experienced Electrician or Plumber.

    Electrical standards are here regulated by the Comitato Elettrotecnico Italiano (CEI)
    https://www.ceinorme.it/en/
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    Luciano Bacco:

    Here in Italy Electricians and Plumbers make most of their professional preparation directly on the field, that is, learning the jobs directly on the field by an experienced Electrician or Plumber.

    Electrical standards are here regulated by the Comitato Elettrotecnico Italiano (CEI)
    https://www.ceinorme.it/en/




    Exactly, I think all trades should primarily be taught on-the-job by existing skilled tradesmen.  The classroom qualifications should be achieved alongside practical skills training.  It is clear that subjects such as the regulations must be taught in the classroom and understanding proven by passing exams, but this is no substitute for hands-on training.

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    I would agree with you since it is in full cohesion with the following axiom :
    Theory + Practice = Professional Proficiency

    ( and this because the only Practice without a theoretical background is BLIND and, on the other hand, Theory without practice is STERILE )

    And this axiom is strictly valid not only in Engineering but also in any walks of life!

    So it is a fatal error separate these two indissoluble links!

    Nowday, Electricians, because the ever growing complexity of their field of operatiions (there is a lot of Electronics inside their job)  may be quietly considered at the same standard of an Engineering Technician (Eng Tech) rather than mere " manual workers". And the IET is taking action along this route in order to advance them to the Eng Tech Status.
    https://www.theiet.org/media/press-releases/press-releases-2018/04-june-2018-competence-of-uk-electricians-recognised-by-new-national-standard/

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    mmm when I first started doing electrical labouring , it seemed very slow and I could never understand why some crews were so insistent on apprentice trained , and I never really met some of the really skilled people , which you don't if your jobbing on lite commercial .We all benefit from good practical skills being taught to us , I am really pleased what some of the old guys were able to teach me , absolutely invaluable , I was literally shaking when on my first big 3 phase board , and as you know some situations you just don't know what's there where you have legacy systems or others that have been done in a way that you would wish they had taken up a different trade.

    Electricians do have to work on and see different things and know the different legacies and what failures look and smell like!  ? I still think it will always need well trained people , but more recently I have come to think that the stuff we install is pretty important , because generally the stuff we put in has to last quite a while and I have seen a number of systems where stuff has been safely added over the years , that the point for a complete re wire is on the horizon .

    So my answer to this is I think domestic electricians can be a group , but all other electrical work needs good people who can be trained to give a good standard , and its a hard subject in the classroom and getting those installation skills and health and safety right

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