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Do engineering degrees die if they are not used?

I was recently contacted by a 32 year old with a degree in electrical and electronic engineering. He graduated in 2009 with a 2.1 from a reasonably good university, but he has never managed to succeed in an interview for a 'proper' engineering job. He previously had two fairly basic ICT jobs but nothing more technical than that and he currently works for a small company as a carpenter specialising in wooden floors.


After graduating he returned home to his family and joined UKIP, mostly for the social side rather than hardcore politics. It was through personal connections in UKIP that he found the job as a carpenter. He also found his wife through UKIP but both people have since left the party and are no longer active in politics.


He has attended a reasonable number of interviews for engineering positions in the first 5 years since graduation but companies seemed to show less interest in him after that. He is concerned that his engineering degree has effectively died through a lack of an opportunity to use it. He also asked me if 'refresher' courses are available, and I told him that he could do an MSc but I'm not sure if it will benefit him because employers really want work experience in engineering rather than higher academic qualifications.


Things he doesn't want to do are:


1. An electrician. Building electricians really are a different breed from electrical engineers. Most of the work that electricians do (new builds and some commercial buildings being an exception) is building work rather than electrical work and it's harder labour cutting holes in diamond-hard bricks; working in cramped and dusty attics; and pulling cables through tight conduits than it is working on wooden flooring. If he really wanted to become an electrician then he wouldn't have bothered with A Levels and a degree.


2. Financial services. Some people argue that he has a mathematical degree so he can go and work in some investment bank in the City. It's a totally different mindset from engineering - and the ICT and carpentry work that he has done - and even the maths required is of a different type. He also doesn't want to work in central London. He said that he wouldn't mind being an economist but as he hasn't formally studied economics he would have to study another degree. He looked at becoming an actuary but the learning curve is steep; jobs aren't easy to come by; and insurance companies might not want to employ a 'failed' electrical engineer in his 30s over one of countless mathematics graduates with a 1st class degree in their 20s. Accountancy is oversubscribed and it's possible that software will replace many accountants in the future.


3. Teaching. He looked into becoming a computer science teacher but teaching in schools is stressful and demoralising. Despite shortages of 'good' computer science teachers it isn't always easy to get a job teaching this subject due to budget constraints in schools and teaching unions protecting the jobs of, now obsolescent, former ICT teachers who know less about computer science than the kids they teach.


Does anybody have anything to say about this?
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  • I think there are two separate threads to this discussion.

    First - Do engineering degrees die if they are not used? To which the answer seems to be no, they are with you until you die (or possibly beyond, if the post-nominal are engraved on your headstone). The degree award is for life.

    Second - Does the value of an engineering degree diminish if it is not used? Here we are on less firm ground as the feeling seems to be that if you don't use it you will regress. How much and how quickly is open to debate which I am not going to get involved in except to say it will be different for different people.

    The issue for the individual concerned is actually the second one rather than the first one (the question posed), as employers are looking for value in the investment they are making in a new employee. If he can compensate for the diminished value of the degree in other ways (e.g. enthusiasm and commitment) then that may help convince an employer, but I suspect that another option may be to do a job which he currently doesn't want (not necessarily the ones listed) for a short period might move him towards a job that is more suitable. Also don't forget that graduate training programmes are also open to older graduates if he doesn't mind starting at the bottom of the salary ladder.

    Alasdair
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  • I think there are two separate threads to this discussion.

    First - Do engineering degrees die if they are not used? To which the answer seems to be no, they are with you until you die (or possibly beyond, if the post-nominal are engraved on your headstone). The degree award is for life.

    Second - Does the value of an engineering degree diminish if it is not used? Here we are on less firm ground as the feeling seems to be that if you don't use it you will regress. How much and how quickly is open to debate which I am not going to get involved in except to say it will be different for different people.

    The issue for the individual concerned is actually the second one rather than the first one (the question posed), as employers are looking for value in the investment they are making in a new employee. If he can compensate for the diminished value of the degree in other ways (e.g. enthusiasm and commitment) then that may help convince an employer, but I suspect that another option may be to do a job which he currently doesn't want (not necessarily the ones listed) for a short period might move him towards a job that is more suitable. Also don't forget that graduate training programmes are also open to older graduates if he doesn't mind starting at the bottom of the salary ladder.

    Alasdair
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