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Is it time to ask UKPN to consider if HVDC works better in future networks ?

I have been wondering about the big line losses that are necessary in HV transmission systems , HVDC can nearly halve these to 4% but all the new renewable technology of generation and of storage is mostly DC . From the interconnector its all AC cant really change that , but if the electric car becomes reality then all the chargers will be converting DC to AC (in some quite high flows of electricity from low to full of some batteries) , so we are perhaps saying that the electric car will bring more line losses , it might not be that bigger deal, but if we electrolyse water to Hydrogen and Oxygen then the conversion losses from AC to DC will add up , so it has to be better to just transmit in DC , if we could generate in DC and I think we have brushless three phase generators now then we generate and transmit efficiently to the new big users of electricity . In the USA we see generation plant to city interconnector , I don't think they use a balancing grid , as cities are so far apart . I know any design has its problems but with the new uses of electricity any generation system will have to match (or think about the new denands) , its perfrectly possible to have designed and balanced generator to interconnector supply , but a shared transmission grid obviously allows you to arrange supply generator and demands in a different way .

One use I thought about is for a village to say have a battery and the line to it may only charge the battery once a week as DD line to DC battery and that electricity that is then spare can be used to say make Hydrogen ? It could give a completely different and more efficienct system ? Not really worked much on HV systems , but I can sort see a sketch of how it could work as a network . If only a short distance to a big demand then might as well use AC , but a 1000mw supply to an interconnector losing 7% over its life time is a lot .
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    EVs didn't really start being of interest or cost effective until 2006, and then the lack of EV charging infrastructure limited EV buying and choice - chicken (infrastructure) and egg (BEV) scenario - same for H2 vehicles. So it has taken 13 years to get to 9300 EV charging stations consisting of various electric charging technology, different connectors and cables, different BEV technology vehicles, many stations can only be accessed by membership or vehicle manufacturer, many are at home chargers not accessible to others, different payment methods, charging stations are denied to others if public chargers have cars left plugged in once fully charged, the charging slot occupied for hours by an BEV, or even occupied by a non-BEV vehicle. Range is still very limited on many BEV models, and range prediction is unreliable due to driving conditions, weather conditions, battery temperature, battery condition deterioration. BEVs are predominately focused on smaller commuter personal transport vehicles. How long would a fast charger take to recharge a large van or truck - BEVs currently not viable, or available, for most logistics and long distance uses? When charging on standard technology chargers, and for older vehicles, a full charge takes hours, etc. So, in realty, the BEV infrastructure has been a very slow burn expansion start to transition to low emission vehicles, but not yet the ubiquitous, widespread, universally accessibly, easily usable and convenient system many trumpet.
    https://www.zap-map.com/charge-points/ 


    Much for the H2 infrastructure rollout programme to learn from and do better, smarter, cheaper, quicker.


    I don't think BEV v FCEV is the 21st Century equivalent of Betamax v VHS. We have a mixed fossil fuel transport system (petrol, diesel, LPG, hybrid) and we need a mixed LEV transport system (electric, hydrogen, hybrid) to replace it. Horses for courses as no clean energy technology is the silver bullet for all LEV transport needs - collaboration is better than competition.
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    EVs didn't really start being of interest or cost effective until 2006, and then the lack of EV charging infrastructure limited EV buying and choice - chicken (infrastructure) and egg (BEV) scenario - same for H2 vehicles. So it has taken 13 years to get to 9300 EV charging stations consisting of various electric charging technology, different connectors and cables, different BEV technology vehicles, many stations can only be accessed by membership or vehicle manufacturer, many are at home chargers not accessible to others, different payment methods, charging stations are denied to others if public chargers have cars left plugged in once fully charged, the charging slot occupied for hours by an BEV, or even occupied by a non-BEV vehicle. Range is still very limited on many BEV models, and range prediction is unreliable due to driving conditions, weather conditions, battery temperature, battery condition deterioration. BEVs are predominately focused on smaller commuter personal transport vehicles. How long would a fast charger take to recharge a large van or truck - BEVs currently not viable, or available, for most logistics and long distance uses? When charging on standard technology chargers, and for older vehicles, a full charge takes hours, etc. So, in realty, the BEV infrastructure has been a very slow burn expansion start to transition to low emission vehicles, but not yet the ubiquitous, widespread, universally accessibly, easily usable and convenient system many trumpet.
    https://www.zap-map.com/charge-points/ 


    Much for the H2 infrastructure rollout programme to learn from and do better, smarter, cheaper, quicker.


    I don't think BEV v FCEV is the 21st Century equivalent of Betamax v VHS. We have a mixed fossil fuel transport system (petrol, diesel, LPG, hybrid) and we need a mixed LEV transport system (electric, hydrogen, hybrid) to replace it. Horses for courses as no clean energy technology is the silver bullet for all LEV transport needs - collaboration is better than competition.
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