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Is it time to ask UKPN to consider if HVDC works better in future networks ?

I have been wondering about the big line losses that are necessary in HV transmission systems , HVDC can nearly halve these to 4% but all the new renewable technology of generation and of storage is mostly DC . From the interconnector its all AC cant really change that , but if the electric car becomes reality then all the chargers will be converting DC to AC (in some quite high flows of electricity from low to full of some batteries) , so we are perhaps saying that the electric car will bring more line losses , it might not be that bigger deal, but if we electrolyse water to Hydrogen and Oxygen then the conversion losses from AC to DC will add up , so it has to be better to just transmit in DC , if we could generate in DC and I think we have brushless three phase generators now then we generate and transmit efficiently to the new big users of electricity . In the USA we see generation plant to city interconnector , I don't think they use a balancing grid , as cities are so far apart . I know any design has its problems but with the new uses of electricity any generation system will have to match (or think about the new denands) , its perfrectly possible to have designed and balanced generator to interconnector supply , but a shared transmission grid obviously allows you to arrange supply generator and demands in a different way .

One use I thought about is for a village to say have a battery and the line to it may only charge the battery once a week as DD line to DC battery and that electricity that is then spare can be used to say make Hydrogen ? It could give a completely different and more efficienct system ? Not really worked much on HV systems , but I can sort see a sketch of how it could work as a network . If only a short distance to a big demand then might as well use AC , but a 1000mw supply to an interconnector losing 7% over its life time is a lot .
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  • I agree with you Maurice , my interest in EV design was when the first reports of water table lowering as the Lithium component was taking so much water and in the recycling and life LION batteries , When they melt down the Li it can catch fire. The occasional vid of a lion battery having a chemical fire had me utterly shocked about how they could work in a crash especially given the weight, in impacts. MY thinking was in design , was when I had a trip in a little smart car and was amazed with a number of design aspects . I started thinking we have railway , so lets make that the long distance means of travel , and consider small light 150 mile range EVs .True it puts charging may be more regular and probably 6hrs at night and that could pose problems for the electrical grid , but I never saw the fast charger coming , so you could say put it on charge while shopping . No one mentioned either about battery degradation , holding 80% charge after 5 yrs and failing individual cells , and the way car designers literally build the batteries into the floor pan meant a new battery was going to be a big expense and a trip to the manufacturers garage for guarantee after fitment as OEM .So yeah the gov made a lot of engineers sort of scratch there heads with what they were thinking , because if the battery is no good or doesn't recycle or costs a fortune for a new battery then poor old customer was never going to see any purchase/ownership value , nor for that matter fleet purchases or car dealers , because the rolling chassis starts to become worthless .

    EV chargers I have so far seen ,most are in funny places and I haven't seen them in use at all , but  then whilst seeing plenty of hybrids I haven't seen many purely electric vehicles.
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  • I agree with you Maurice , my interest in EV design was when the first reports of water table lowering as the Lithium component was taking so much water and in the recycling and life LION batteries , When they melt down the Li it can catch fire. The occasional vid of a lion battery having a chemical fire had me utterly shocked about how they could work in a crash especially given the weight, in impacts. MY thinking was in design , was when I had a trip in a little smart car and was amazed with a number of design aspects . I started thinking we have railway , so lets make that the long distance means of travel , and consider small light 150 mile range EVs .True it puts charging may be more regular and probably 6hrs at night and that could pose problems for the electrical grid , but I never saw the fast charger coming , so you could say put it on charge while shopping . No one mentioned either about battery degradation , holding 80% charge after 5 yrs and failing individual cells , and the way car designers literally build the batteries into the floor pan meant a new battery was going to be a big expense and a trip to the manufacturers garage for guarantee after fitment as OEM .So yeah the gov made a lot of engineers sort of scratch there heads with what they were thinking , because if the battery is no good or doesn't recycle or costs a fortune for a new battery then poor old customer was never going to see any purchase/ownership value , nor for that matter fleet purchases or car dealers , because the rolling chassis starts to become worthless .

    EV chargers I have so far seen ,most are in funny places and I haven't seen them in use at all , but  then whilst seeing plenty of hybrids I haven't seen many purely electric vehicles.
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