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530kW motor checks? !!

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Hello to all, and I do hope that people can advise me on this?


Firstly: what checks can I best do for a possible purchase of a single ABB - AMB 630 LC16 ABA C 530kW pump unit, which is unable to be properly tested (powered up) as the plant it was operating in has been decommissioned, and is currently being scrapped.


The unit appears to be mostly self contained, with a separate 'powercap' capacitor cabinet.

There are 8 in total, in various conditions and all look like this:
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Secondly: No switching gear is 'included', however I could always ask the company (who's pulling the site apart) if it's possible to obtain the original starter systems maybe???

But would this be a good idea, considering again it's in an unknown condition.


From the 8 available, I've selected 2 that appear to be the most suitable for hopefully reusing again (not bashed about, leaking oil etc) and thus generally look ok, so possibly from that can choose the final one.... but it would be great to know how best to maybe pick the best from any testing that could be done where they stand now, without any power.


Obviously with big industrial machine as this, it's not your average consumer second-hand electrical goods....

....that one just plugs in, and then hopes it works when power is applied!



(Thanks in advance to any replies)
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    Can't sleep so having restudied further the photo of the green main frame, I think even IF the unit could be lifted directly straight upwards (which doesn't seem possible due to the overhead pipework), it will end up tilting backwards and then drop down onto the rear end, possibly wrecking the topbox cooling unit.
    2499d943e5bc37682eb8a76aac71f0cf-original-lifting.png


    It appears to me that the motor was put on last, so for removal the topbox cooler indeed has to come off first, then the main frame could be balanced properly .....but maybe the motor still has to also come off, and only then can the main frame be lifted?


    If the motor transport locking devices must be active BEFORE moving the motor, they can only be accessed really once the topbox cooler is removed anyway.
    7217dce9fac574b1ae721e62898bfc34-original-transport_lock1.png
    895e5ea277ba41fa02505542e8e12376-original-transport_lock2.png
    5a1e0cf3b57c60dc061a51d94df86020-original-transport_lock3.png


    To me, it doesn't look like the unit can be lifted up (as it is) in one piece, but judging from and looking at the photos.... with cut cables, it appears (maybe) to be exactly what someone is trying to do?

    What does everyone else think?


    The rear lifting eye point is NOT at the far end of the actual green main frame - which surely with the cooler unit thus makes it heavy in the 'ass'!

    Is it likely to tip back, or actually remain level?


    While the pump is quite a heavy unit, that big motor I'm sure weighs far more to cause a rearend imbalance drop....
    50ec049aba13a61c6dd92a13a2712840-original-sideview.png

    Were the liftpoints on the green frame actually designed to lift the ENTIRE unit as it is, or simply to align the frame properly onto the concrete foundation bolts.


    I somehow think the frame was put in first.

    Then the pump fitted on.

    Then the motor.

    And finally the cooling topbox.


    Any thoughts?


    While you are thinking about that....


    Having looked closely at the photos, the 11kv line appears NOT to come in via the red tubing conduit (as I'd previously thought!) red as a good warning for HT lines.


    The 11kv seems to be routed loose along the cable channel frame, into a cabinet to the right of the capacitor cabinet?
    33f220b511dd4485133cba520eca6320-original-wiring.png

    Certainly an emergency stop switch there, with a further smaller cabinet to the side.


    Strange.


    In another photo the motors 11kv terminal box can be seen but no thick 11kv wires anywhere.....?
    05a4cb66f454c4cf703e5c3734f971a2-original-wiring2.png

    But again, many cut or sheared through smaller cables.

    Two terminal box cables on the motor also cut through.

    Yet more undone frame bolts!


    I'm certain now, someone is getting ready to then lift out the entire unit as a whole.........

    Not good?
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  • Former Community Member
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    Can't sleep so having restudied further the photo of the green main frame, I think even IF the unit could be lifted directly straight upwards (which doesn't seem possible due to the overhead pipework), it will end up tilting backwards and then drop down onto the rear end, possibly wrecking the topbox cooling unit.
    2499d943e5bc37682eb8a76aac71f0cf-original-lifting.png


    It appears to me that the motor was put on last, so for removal the topbox cooler indeed has to come off first, then the main frame could be balanced properly .....but maybe the motor still has to also come off, and only then can the main frame be lifted?


    If the motor transport locking devices must be active BEFORE moving the motor, they can only be accessed really once the topbox cooler is removed anyway.
    7217dce9fac574b1ae721e62898bfc34-original-transport_lock1.png
    895e5ea277ba41fa02505542e8e12376-original-transport_lock2.png
    5a1e0cf3b57c60dc061a51d94df86020-original-transport_lock3.png


    To me, it doesn't look like the unit can be lifted up (as it is) in one piece, but judging from and looking at the photos.... with cut cables, it appears (maybe) to be exactly what someone is trying to do?

    What does everyone else think?


    The rear lifting eye point is NOT at the far end of the actual green main frame - which surely with the cooler unit thus makes it heavy in the 'ass'!

    Is it likely to tip back, or actually remain level?


    While the pump is quite a heavy unit, that big motor I'm sure weighs far more to cause a rearend imbalance drop....
    50ec049aba13a61c6dd92a13a2712840-original-sideview.png

    Were the liftpoints on the green frame actually designed to lift the ENTIRE unit as it is, or simply to align the frame properly onto the concrete foundation bolts.


    I somehow think the frame was put in first.

    Then the pump fitted on.

    Then the motor.

    And finally the cooling topbox.


    Any thoughts?


    While you are thinking about that....


    Having looked closely at the photos, the 11kv line appears NOT to come in via the red tubing conduit (as I'd previously thought!) red as a good warning for HT lines.


    The 11kv seems to be routed loose along the cable channel frame, into a cabinet to the right of the capacitor cabinet?
    33f220b511dd4485133cba520eca6320-original-wiring.png

    Certainly an emergency stop switch there, with a further smaller cabinet to the side.


    Strange.


    In another photo the motors 11kv terminal box can be seen but no thick 11kv wires anywhere.....?
    05a4cb66f454c4cf703e5c3734f971a2-original-wiring2.png

    But again, many cut or sheared through smaller cables.

    Two terminal box cables on the motor also cut through.

    Yet more undone frame bolts!


    I'm certain now, someone is getting ready to then lift out the entire unit as a whole.........

    Not good?
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