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CE marking now (phasing out ?) to become Radio Equipment Directive (RE-D) what happens in UK ?

CE marking now become Radio Equipment Directive   (RE-D)  what happens in UK ? 


Q1  heard that we will  have a UK Certification Authority , who will be taking this on , will it be a little like the IET Wiring  Regs , how is it going to be enforced to stop a flood of poor EMC and unsafe consumer products 


Q2 Secondly how will the green move to standardize on device battery chargers affect UK manyfacturing
  • Not quite, generally CE directives are replaced by equivalent UKCA regulations. For EMC and LVD there's no change to start with (although of course if the UK government wanted they could now change the specific requirements for these to make the regulations tighter or looser).


    So to sell in the UK you need a UKCA mark (underpinned by appropriate assessment / testing), to sell in the EU you need a CE mark (again underpinned by appropriate assessment / testing), but for now the actual technical standards are the same. And my guess is that these are unlikely to change much.


    I'm no expert on RE-D, except to say this is an EU directive, I assume this is also now covered by UKCA?


    There has always been a bit of a misunderstanding about certification bodies for CE marking, and no doubt this misunderstanding will carry on. Any manufacturer / supplier / importer can certify their own products (I've written and signed a fair few of them when I worked for a manufacturer), they don't even have to have been tested at a UKAS (or whichever national body applies) test house. Of course if that certification is found to be invalid there's a range of penalties that can be applied to the person / organisation that certified it. But it's always been a complaints led process - a manufacturer or importer has never had to prove anything to anybody before placing anything on the market (although customs will check for CE mark / paperwork on imported goods).

     

    Basically, no change! Except that those of us who work for accredited bodies will now have to have two sets of accreditations (one for UK and one for EU), and where clients want to supply to UK and EU we'll need to supply two assessment certificates.


    Q2 - no idea, but I wish these would become standardised so I didn't have to have so many of the blessed things!


    Hope that helps,


    Andy



  • We already have a RTTE direective for radio,and CE marking for everything else, what is being added is the UKCA uk specific standard.

    I suspect very little will change - to CE mark or to UKCA mark you need at the moment to satisfy the relevant directives, which at the moment in the UK and the EU are identical.

    For electrical stuff that is not radio, the Low Voltage Directive, (here)and  also the EMC directive ( normally by complying to one or more EN Euronorm standards.) For radios the radio equipment directive is the usual one to look at.

    Mike
  • As I understand it, it will be the same as the existing legislation, I’m vice chair of our local amateur radio club, (the sound of people falling asleep). We have looked into this to see if there are any changes planned to the current laws regarding emc, as this is the biggest complaint we have as a club from our members, 99% of which, once investigated is found to be down to cheap imported electronic goods. Mainly imported LED lamps, shortly followed by switch mode power supplies, nether a great surprise. 

    what we have found is it looks like UKCA will remain the same as the CE legislation, at least to start with, although could change from the CE legislation with time, the concerning point is we still have equipment failing the current inspections, so deep down I don’t expect to see any immediate changes to current problems, but only to see a new UKCA standard number.
  • Matt

    Thankyou for reply . I am also Radio Ham G0NDN and fairly active at the moment (i am on QRZ) , so would be good to have  a call sometime ! . Was think about  joining Microwave group incidentally. 


    Agreed your statement is very reasonable, its  a slow burn , bu tI think the UKCA is maturing its 'watch this space' and it coudl change much quicker than anticipated. 


     Reading through the Government information on Brexit  website ( I have the UKCAleafllet ) there are changes imminently so for new and beyond 2021 onto he UK Market  I agree mostly changes are to the Process but  I have heard that there is a 'Blue Book' ( so a little like the IET Wiring Regs perhaps ?? , but do IET have this responsibility who to talk to  ) I can see we will have a flood of cheap imported unsafe products . This is because of a drift away from EU , possibly Harmonized WARC standards  some spectrum allocations take longer to implement by OFCOM until new  licences  ie; allocation within UK   may be restricted because  of aviation purposes . The UK Spectrum Policy Forum ( UKSPF ) certainly feels there is something in the offing to change . I don't think we can assume CE will continue without local certification or wording to state this is accepted, but i don't understand how or who will provide the Certification. 


    Paul

    73's G0NDN
  • Mike 

    Thanks , I agree that little should change realistically , but the Brexit website where UKCA is identified suggests new product to UK Market should be UKCA 2021 . Existing product already on UK Market are unaffected. I do not know who is going to police this ( and perhaps i mis-intrepert the text ) but who will provide th eUKCA stamp ?

    Paul
  • Andy 

    Thankyou , really appreciate the reply and background ... , a very pragmatic reply on how  UK consumer Market actually works  .. ship it until somebody finds out or its a safety issue . 

    ( I must take the Electric Fire with  blue sparking on/off switch on the back to B Q !!)

    Yes the HMG Brexit outlines UKCA but implication is this should apply from 2021 for all new Consumer product ( but perhaps I miss-read the text)  I'm not sure who the Test house will be  and so on. 

    For Radio stuff ( which is my interest) there may be some  spectras that should apply to restrict radiated into UK Bands  for example,( especially with 5G New Bands)  so another minefield . 

  • Paul Robinson:

    ...who will provide the UKCA stamp ?

     


    "UKCA markings must only be placed on a product by you as the manufacturer or your authorised representative" https://www.gov.uk/guidance/using-the-ukca-marking#when-to-use-the-ukca-marking

    ("Authorised representative" is there to allow an importer to apply it.)


    It really is as simple as that, just as with CE marking. There's no official "stamp", it's just down to the manufacturer / importer to label the product according to the design given at https://www.gov.uk/guidance/using-the-ukca-marking (which is deliberately provided as download files for manufacturers / importers to use). In many cases this will involve the manufacturer / importer literally printing off sticky labels and putting them on the equipment - but of course they MUST have the underlying paperwork to back it up if challenged.


    UK Customs will police imported goods to check for a label (and, if they are feeling really keen, the Declaration of Conformity) - again the same as already happened with CE. As a number of UK companies found pre-Brexit when trying to supply goods to Germany without CE marks! But for a UK manufacturer supplying the UK market there's basically no policing (that I know of) that a UKCA or CE mark is applied unless an incident occurs.


    Cheers,


    Andy


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    Andy Millar:

    Not quite, generally CE directives are replaced by equivalent UKCA regulations. For EMC and LVD there's no change to start with (although of course if the UK government wanted they could now change the specific requirements for these to make the regulations tighter or looser).


    So to sell in the UK you need a UKCA mark (underpinned by appropriate assessment / testing), to sell in the EU you need a CE mark (again underpinned by appropriate assessment / testing), but for now the actual technical standards are the same. And my guess is that these are unlikely to change much.


    I'm no expert on RE-D, except to say this is an EU directive, I assume this is also now covered by UKCA?


    There has always been a bit of a misunderstanding about certification bodies for CE marking, and no doubt this misunderstanding will carry on. Any manufacturer / supplier / importer can certify their own products (I've written and signed a fair few of them when I worked for a manufacturer), they don't even have to have been tested at a UKAS (or whichever national body applies) test house. Of course if that certification is found to be invalid there's a range of penalties that can be applied to the person / organisation that certified it. But it's always been a complaints led process - a manufacturer or importer has never had to prove anything to anybody before placing anything on the market (although customs will check for CE mark / paperwork on imported goods).

     

    Basically, no change! Except that those of us who work for accredited bodies will now have to have two sets of accreditations (one for UK and one for EU), and where clients want to supply to UK and EU we'll need to supply two assessment certificates.


    Q2 - no idea, but I wish these would become standardised so I didn't have to have so many of the blessed things!


    Hope that helps,


    Andy

       


    I always understood CE stood for 'China Export' ? Certainly not CE standard from some of the trash I've seen!


  • A bit ignorant of me but I didn't think there were any radio hams left.
  • " Amateur radio, also known as ham radio, is a hobby and volunteer service used by 75,000 people in the UK, and millions around the world. "
    https://www.ofcom.org.uk/about-ofcom/latest/features-and-news/lockdown-boost-for-amateur-radio