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I hope the Climate Activists are proud of the effect their lies are having on the younger generation

If this survey is real the messages these young people are receiving are completely wrong.

We need to reduce our impact on our planet but CO2 is a complete red herring. The current ECS (temperature increase for a doubling of CO2 in the atmosphere) is centred around 3°C (IPCC AR6). The 2°C will destroy civilisation is simply made up.

 

 

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  • Climate change is real. If you lived in California, or British Columbia, it has been happening to you monstrously over in particular the last couple of years. I lived in California for 18 years, know about and have experienced wildfires. It has been recently massively exacerbated, to a level that has not occurred within the many-thousand-year history of some of the trees that burned. That a place in BC this summer came within a few degrees of having the highest temperature ever recorded on this planet, and then burned up a couple of days later, is hard to believe. But it happened.  The Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation has been losing stability over the course of the last century, and could well collapse in the next decades. That is likely to affect Northern European weather enormously. 

    Let us not pretend that none of this has happened and is happening. 

    Global warming during the anthropocene has been confirmed, in many ways, over thousands of studies over decades. Global warming is bound to affect climate, in certain well-studied ways, as well as those less well studied (the “heat dome” over the Western US in July was not specifically foreseen, as far as I know).

    Let us not pretend that this is not happening.

    Whatever might be causing all this, it is all - obviously - real. The question is: what to do about it. If you live in a small town in one of the large areas of California that has become newly dangerous in the last two decades, you might seriously think about upping sticks and moving to some place less dangerous, which is likely to be far more expensive to live in and you may not be able to do it. If you live in some place moderately less dangerous, you might well want to be out on the streets demonstrating for your government to do something about it, because not everyone can move. 

    Then there are people trying to determine the causes of global warming, of Arctic warming, of heat domes over the Western US, of massive concentrations of water vapour over the Eifel in mid-summer, of ……… Be sceptical if you like, but these recent massive changes have causes. Whatever those causes might be, they might not necessarily be anthropogenic greenhouse gases, although the evidence is pretty overwhelming that (a) these gases are there in much higher quantity than in previous years, and (b) um, the gases “trap” heat in the biosphere (that is how they get their name, unsurprisingly), and (c) the effect you expect from that is indeed present. But if you don't think those causes are linked to anthropogenic global warming, then you owe us some other causes and some reasoning from those causes to the drastic phenomena which are being observed. 

    Younger people, with little or no political power, have noticed for a long time that older people with lots of political power seem to be unable to get their act together to do much about any of these causes. (Let's start small, say with pervasive wildfire danger in California and what politics can do to avoid your family home burning down in the next ten years.) If I were 20, I would be pretty p'd off about this, and I can hardly blame those 20-year-olds (or younger) who are. 

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  • Climate change is real. If you lived in California, or British Columbia, it has been happening to you monstrously over in particular the last couple of years. I lived in California for 18 years, know about and have experienced wildfires. It has been recently massively exacerbated, to a level that has not occurred within the many-thousand-year history of some of the trees that burned. That a place in BC this summer came within a few degrees of having the highest temperature ever recorded on this planet, and then burned up a couple of days later, is hard to believe. But it happened.  The Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation has been losing stability over the course of the last century, and could well collapse in the next decades. That is likely to affect Northern European weather enormously. 

    Let us not pretend that none of this has happened and is happening. 

    Global warming during the anthropocene has been confirmed, in many ways, over thousands of studies over decades. Global warming is bound to affect climate, in certain well-studied ways, as well as those less well studied (the “heat dome” over the Western US in July was not specifically foreseen, as far as I know).

    Let us not pretend that this is not happening.

    Whatever might be causing all this, it is all - obviously - real. The question is: what to do about it. If you live in a small town in one of the large areas of California that has become newly dangerous in the last two decades, you might seriously think about upping sticks and moving to some place less dangerous, which is likely to be far more expensive to live in and you may not be able to do it. If you live in some place moderately less dangerous, you might well want to be out on the streets demonstrating for your government to do something about it, because not everyone can move. 

    Then there are people trying to determine the causes of global warming, of Arctic warming, of heat domes over the Western US, of massive concentrations of water vapour over the Eifel in mid-summer, of ……… Be sceptical if you like, but these recent massive changes have causes. Whatever those causes might be, they might not necessarily be anthropogenic greenhouse gases, although the evidence is pretty overwhelming that (a) these gases are there in much higher quantity than in previous years, and (b) um, the gases “trap” heat in the biosphere (that is how they get their name, unsurprisingly), and (c) the effect you expect from that is indeed present. But if you don't think those causes are linked to anthropogenic global warming, then you owe us some other causes and some reasoning from those causes to the drastic phenomena which are being observed. 

    Younger people, with little or no political power, have noticed for a long time that older people with lots of political power seem to be unable to get their act together to do much about any of these causes. (Let's start small, say with pervasive wildfire danger in California and what politics can do to avoid your family home burning down in the next ten years.) If I were 20, I would be pretty p'd off about this, and I can hardly blame those 20-year-olds (or younger) who are. 

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