I hope the Climate Activists are proud of the effect their lies are having on the younger generation

Quite so, and we need to be very cautious of models that need data ignoring to work well.

Part of the problem is we have only been measuring in the modern way for a very short time, and a great many things could be force fitted to older,  incomplete data.

There is a balance of risks - if we carry on as we are we will comprehensively degrade the planet in a number of ways, warming or not.

Environmentally

I'd not be in favour of clearing Amazon rain forests or burning more coal for power than we really have to,  even if there was not a big question about CO2 levels. The loss of habitat, wildlife etc and the reduction in quality of life from pollution really ought to be enough, nor before we think this is a ‘them problem ’ rather more locally should southern water be putting raw sewage into rivers. It is just not the 20th century any more - any system that makes it cost-effective to behave like that needs to be altered until it is not, and there are so many examples.

Then there is national security, the current political system tends to afford too much power to a small number of, in some cases very nasty, people who happen to control the places the energy comes from. Now that alone should be a call for a bit more independence from fossil fuels than we currently  exhibit.

Have the folk running XR or sitting down on the motorway to raise awareness of insulation all missed the point ? - perhaps, but the fact plenty of folk are now are thinking the shape of the future world at all  is a very good first step. The second is to shape and focus that will to improve things,  into something slightly more nuanced and at the same time truly effective.

Mike.

Quite so, and we need to be very cautious of models that need data ignoring to work well.

Part of the problem is we have only been measuring in the modern way for a very short time, and a great many things could be force fitted to older,  incomplete data.

There is a balance of risks - if we carry on as we are we will comprehensively degrade the planet in a number of ways, warming or not.

Environmentally

I'd not be in favour of clearing Amazon rain forests or burning more coal for power than we really have to,  even if there was not a big question about CO2 levels. The loss of habitat, wildlife etc and the reduction in quality of life from pollution really ought to be enough, nor before we think this is a ‘them problem ’ rather more locally should southern water be putting raw sewage into rivers. It is just not the 20th century any more - any system that makes it cost-effective to behave like that needs to be altered until it is not, and there are so many examples.

Then there is national security, the current political system tends to afford too much power to a small number of, in some cases very nasty, people who happen to control the places the energy comes from. Now that alone should be a call for a bit more independence from fossil fuels than we currently  exhibit.

Have the folk running XR or sitting down on the motorway to raise awareness of insulation all missed the point ? - perhaps, but the fact plenty of folk are now are thinking the shape of the future world at all  is a very good first step. The second is to shape and focus that will to improve things,  into something slightly more nuanced and at the same time truly effective.

Mike.