If this survey is real the messages these young people are receiving are completely wrong.
We need to reduce our impact on our planet but CO2 is a complete red herring. The current ECS (temperature increase for a doubling of CO2 in the atmosphere) is centred around 3°C (IPCC AR6). The 2°C will destroy civilisation is simply made up.
Peter Bernard Ladkin:
You have said repeatedly that you are unable to judge the scientific evidence.
That is your wording. We seem to disagree on what qualifies as scientific evidence. Instead of GIGO models, I prefer evidence like this one on extreme wether by the US NOAA:
"So why would the record for named storms be broken in 2020, while the overall activity as measured by ACE is not even be close to setting a record?
The answer is very likely technology change, rather than climate change."
You say “I'm not a climate scientist” and decline to answer questions about specific claims in climate science.
I can understand your frustration but indeed I had no intention to start discussing details here. The climate science is rather complex and even if I would be able to spend more weeks to wrestle with similar non-specialists, it would do little to change the opinions of the ones who have "memorized IPCC dogma rather than developed a healthy ability to think critically about the staggeringly large uncertainties in our understanding of the way the Earth system operates".
Some answers can be found in an interview with Dr. William Happer, Professor of Physics, Emeritus at Princeton University, a long-time member of JASON, a group of scientists which provides independent advice to the U.S. government. He was among those who initated AGW related research but realised soon that the hypothesis of CO2 driving dangerous warming was wrong.
A reasonable person takes that as a good reason you should shut up.
I shall follow your advice here - with "who else human is following this any longer", there is no point to continue indeed. It seems to me that we could respectfully agree to disagree on the existence of anthropogenic climate crisis and wait to see what the future shall bring.
In case that any human audience has cared to read the thread up to this point, I sincerely thank you all for not excercising the opportunity to throw any stones at me, hoping that my input extended the horizons somewhat ;) I am sure that regardless of the position in climate debate, any responsible engineer is appling all the necessary efforts to design and manufacture products and systems that are both energy and resource efficient.
Signing out with kindest regards,
Aivar
Peter Bernard Ladkin:
You have said repeatedly that you are unable to judge the scientific evidence.
That is your wording. We seem to disagree on what qualifies as scientific evidence. Instead of GIGO models, I prefer evidence like this one on extreme wether by the US NOAA:
"So why would the record for named storms be broken in 2020, while the overall activity as measured by ACE is not even be close to setting a record?
The answer is very likely technology change, rather than climate change."
You say “I'm not a climate scientist” and decline to answer questions about specific claims in climate science.
I can understand your frustration but indeed I had no intention to start discussing details here. The climate science is rather complex and even if I would be able to spend more weeks to wrestle with similar non-specialists, it would do little to change the opinions of the ones who have "memorized IPCC dogma rather than developed a healthy ability to think critically about the staggeringly large uncertainties in our understanding of the way the Earth system operates".
Some answers can be found in an interview with Dr. William Happer, Professor of Physics, Emeritus at Princeton University, a long-time member of JASON, a group of scientists which provides independent advice to the U.S. government. He was among those who initated AGW related research but realised soon that the hypothesis of CO2 driving dangerous warming was wrong.
A reasonable person takes that as a good reason you should shut up.
I shall follow your advice here - with "who else human is following this any longer", there is no point to continue indeed. It seems to me that we could respectfully agree to disagree on the existence of anthropogenic climate crisis and wait to see what the future shall bring.
In case that any human audience has cared to read the thread up to this point, I sincerely thank you all for not excercising the opportunity to throw any stones at me, hoping that my input extended the horizons somewhat ;) I am sure that regardless of the position in climate debate, any responsible engineer is appling all the necessary efforts to design and manufacture products and systems that are both energy and resource efficient.
Signing out with kindest regards,
Aivar
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