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Securing The UK's Energy Future, Bath 23 Nov. 2015: Comments

As Professor John Loughhead gave his talk to a large audience of over 200 and as it will be made available on IET Television I am only going to comment.

 

I must admit that I was disappointed in the talk in that I hoped to hear some reassuring answers. That they weren’t forthcoming wasn’t the fault of the speaker though, who was clearly competent and knew ‘his stuff’.

 

My starting position is that I’m an engineer. I don’t like waste, I’m fairly frugal but it isn’t an obsession. My house is insulated as far as reasonably practical. It has solar panels and gas central heating. My car is small and diesel powered. I wasn’t an early adopter of solar panels as I felt that the ‘poor’ were subsidising the ‘rich’. I’m comfortable with the feed in tariff that I am on. I have worked in the private sector and as a civil servant and can see good and bad in both.



Looking at my own energy budget I find that 69% of what I buy in goes on transport, 27% on gas heating/cooking and only 5% on electricity. However that is confused by the fact that I generate the equivalent of 18% of the total energy 'buy-in' so without that my electricity consumption of electricity would perhaps double. The 'transport' element is the energy content of the fuel, not what is actually needed to do the job.



So what did the talk do for me?

 

The first problem that I have with this subject are the ‘targets’. Some years ago I heard a programme in which Professor David MacKay [http://www.withouthotair.com/], later to be Chief Scientific Adviser to the UK Department of Energy and Climate Change, (Professor John Loughhead’s predecessor), was in discussion with a none-engineering adviser to the Department, (possibly Bryony Worthington). Prof. MacKay had explained how the UK didn’t have enough land area for all the wind turbines that it needed. This was dismissed as ‘being about the engineering’; the problem was ‘political’. The result was the targets, made up by people who can make 2 + 2 = 6 and who hold the ‘4’ people in contempt.

 

So the targets become law, (what happens if ‘we’ break the law?). The next easy part is the ‘removal of carbon’ by closing power stations, something that can be done overnight given the political will. But what fills the gap? That was a question that I didn’t think was answered. We had the charts showing from where our power came now, a substantial part being ‘other’, (political code for diesel?) We had a chart showing the change of mix, where Prof. Loughead pointed out that it took decades for new sources to come on line. The same chart showed that the new sources had now essentially reached peak capacity and, (the graph having a log. Scale), that the ‘slight’ shortfall was in fact insufficient by an order of magnitude.

 

It seems to me that the, (artificial?), challenge is being made ever harder. We are increasing our population with people who want to consume more than they did in the countries that they left. We are removing generators with high thermal and mechanical inertia and only partially replacing them sources that are unpredictable and low-inertia, [I get it now David!]. Our increasing standard of living has been achieved by exploiting ever-denser energy sources. Aviation would have been impossible without this. Yet now, for the first time in our history we are going backwards, wind for instance is a million times less energy dense than coal.

 

Unfortunately I felt that we weren’t given the answers or the assurance that we will have energy security in the future. I suspect the future will at best be one of demand management or at worst power cuts.

 

 

 
  • James

    Thank you for your observations and congratulations for keeping up with John's high-speed presentation.  As you say, once the IET.TV recording has been edited, we can review the details of the talk in slow time.



    On a point of detail, we had 196 registrations for 196 seats.  However, I think that we had some no-shows and some walk-ins but, by eye, I think that the turnout was about 180.  I was also very pleased to see that about half were IET members, so our publicity machine works.



    If I understand your comments, you are disappointed not to have heard reassuring answers to the question of UK energy security.  I suggest that that is because it is not secure.  To counter criticsm (that did not materialise) that the UK should stop using fossil fuels now - gas and fracked gas - andnd go for renewables, John showed how demand and capacity would require gas for many years, not least as nuclear and other schemes will take a long time to bring on line. and that the primary need for gas is heating where UK domestic infrastucture and culture would need an enormous shift to change.  He touched on the engineering and technology issues, but it is politics and social acceptability that provide the challenges as we see over planning arrangements for onshore wind, tidal, large-scale PV, nuclear, fracking exploration and extraction.  



    So, the lights may well go out if these problems are not solved.  And that was the hint in his final slide about needing innovative solutions that combine technology, business models and markets, with the implicit need for political and public will to make changes.



    As I tried to bring out in my pitch about the IET, this is where we, as individuals and as an  Institution, need to encourage a debate amongst ourselves and the public, to overcome misconceptions and sometimes blatent misinformation by people with insufficient understanding to arrive at an objective decision on what is best for the UK (and beyond).  I think that John did us proud in bringing these issues to the attention of some 180 of us last night and I hope lots more once the IET.TV recording goes on line. 



    You touched on targets implying that they were not helpful.  I wonder whether anybody would have done anything if there had not been targets as it is so easy to say that it is someone else's job to change what they are doing (as one still hears about China's use of coal, for instance).



    What next?  What else can we, the IET, do to improve the situation?



    Barry




     
  • Barry,



    Yes it was quite a romp through the charts wasn't it, and all those changes of units! Therms! I remember 'Mr Therm' as a Gas Board publicity character!



    I'm sure there will be a lot to be gleaned in 'slow time' once the IET TV 'show' becomes available.



    Targets obviously have their place but the level and making them law is something that I would argue against. The 'law' element is just a crude attempt to bind successive parliaments and the levels are plain Greenpeace activism; both are thoroughly undemocratic. Policies can be flexible, legal targets aren't. I have seen how government works at first hand. The senior civil service pride themselves on being intellectuals with sharp analytical minds, free from the mundane constraints of the laws of nature. Classic 'seagull managers', they take in the 'best' advice, the more certain the proponents the better, ask a few 'incisive' questions then spit out 'policy' that is slavishly followed to the letter, without the latitude that they would have allowed themselves had they been in the position to actually carry it out. It all becomes 'bullet points'; remove capacity, install new capacity; each equivalent and worth one target point.



    I think there was a lot in John's talk that was almost just below the surface, those 'in the know' could pick up on what he was alluding to without him saying it explicitly. I know there had been talk of an all-electric energy system at one time, 'the people' just wouldn't be given carbon-based fuels to burn. Wasn't there the suggestion that reality might have hit DECC that, [see my own energy mix percentages above], that heating and transport just cannot be added to the essential electric loads of lighting and IT/Comms, there just isn't the capacity. John did mention the power rating of a gas pipeline compared to the electric grid; the same can be said about the average 'petrol' station - these places can really shift energy at a fantastic rate. And why? Because of energy density, that solid fact that we have progressed by using ever denser fuels and now we are in retreat.



    Clearly there are a lot of challenges to be met and engineers must be key to solving them but I can't help think that we ought to have been more active in defining the challeges - the 'politics' in the broadest sense. We have let the non-technologists set the rules and reap the rewards. We let the media get away with rubbish like the power unit 'the home'. We wince when questions are posed like "Would you rather have a (10 MW) wind turbine or a (1 GW) nuclear power station?" instead of hitting back with "Would you rather keep the lights on for four days a year or 365?".



    Better stock up on the candles!



    Jim
  • There were a couple of questions at the end of the presentation that raise concerns in my mind.



    The first was whether the UK's 'carbon budget' should include its imports. There is a moral argument of sorts that one can't blame China for emitting carbon when it is doing it on our behalf. Somehow I don't think we would be expected to get a rebate for our exports though! Going along with this would hit the UK twice; we have priced ourselves out of manufacturing by raising energy prices, exporting jobs, then we would put a further cost on us by forcing a further reduction on carbon emissions at home.



    The second question related to the practicalities of 'carbon capture' and the like. John suggested that improved methods were on the way and that it was currently possible but used, (a quarter?), of the power plant's power output. An extra use that was suggested was using carbon dioxide as a chemical feedstock. This is all very well and good but it should be remembered that when we oxidize carbon we release heat and to break the strong bonds of the oxide to make other chemicals needs energy. In the UK we are critically short of electricity for its traditional uses, let alone heating and transportation, so where will this 'feedstock' energy come from if carbon-based fuels are banned 'by target'?

    Perhaps we need Africa to farm solar power and to synthesis carbon-based fuels from atmospheric carbon dioxide? Shipping synthesised LPG or petroleum products would certainly make more sense that inter-continental electricity transmisission.
  • David,

    We should never forget that the targets are just a political construct, in the grand scheme of things what the UK does makes little difference to the world.



    According to the US Energy Information Authority

      the carbon dioxide output for unit energy output relative to natural gas for various fuels is:

    natural gas 1

    diesel         1.38

    coal            1.95

    so gas is a help but not perfect.

    Perhaps the future will be to use solar power in Africa to produce synthetic liquid/gas fuels that are shipped/piped to solar deprived areas where they are burnt and the combustion products shipped/piped back to feed the process. That would be easier that extracting carbon from the atmosphere.

    Whatever we do it has to be cost-effective. Regardless of one's political opinion we can't pay more for our energy than we gain from using it.  We have a direct example of that in Africa with some people having to walk ever further from their village to collect wood for cooking.
  • The IET.TV video of this event is available now.

    https://tv.theiet.org/?videoid=7819
  • Thank you, James, and the IET.tv team for putting this invaluable lecture on the web.  It contains a mass of facts and exlpanations about the problems that we face in securing our energy supplies today and in the decades ahead.


    Barry