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Man up and take your paternity leave

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    David Houssein:

    I think the blog is well-intentioned, but it's also a bit unfair on some men by making all sorts of assumptions and negative sweeping statements.


    What we don't know is how many men have wanted to take parental leave, but haven't done so because their wife / partner wanted or insisted on taking the parental leave. Let's not forget that there will be many women who are perfectly happy - we need to stop thinking that they are not.


    I think the blog also assumes that couples haven't thought it through or even discussed the idea of shared parental leave. It is perfectly reasonable that some couples would like to, but financially can't. I think it really rubs salt in the wound for men who want to do it, but literally can't because they are the higher earners and essentially become trapped by that (I have commented before on why unequal pay harms both men and women).


    I also object to the term "man up" in the context of a blog about equality. It's actually quite a sexist term and has been used in destructive ways towards men. This article better explains. Personally, I'd hate to be chastised and bullied ("man up" can really tread a fine line) by society if I was desperate to share parental leave but couldn't find a way to make it work.


    What would be appropriate is to suggest that men, who are in a position to share parental leave but believe it's the "women's place" or that they can't do it, need to grow up.


     




    Hi David,


    I see your point but I think, in this instance, 'man-up' is not used in a sexist way - the author makes the point of using a sexist expression with a new non-sexist meaning. Man up usually meant 'be macho', 'don't cry', 'be the provider' etc. In this case, it means 'take your responsibilities as a man and as a father'. The responsibilities of a father is to be there for his child in more than one way (financially). Of course there are mothers who prefer to take the whole maternal leave instead of sharing it. Should the father be ok with that? There should be a discussion where it should be pointed that the second parent is also very important in the life of the child and vice versa. We have to de-demonise the words for them to stop being used in a sexist context.


    Furthermore, as Stephen said, it should be the responsibility of the workplace and managers to protect the rights of men to take paternal leave and have flexible hours. I am fortunate enough to work at a university where rights of both men and women, fathers and mothers, are protected. I know for a fact that special arrangements are made for single fathers to be able to leave when they need etc.

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    David Houssein:

    I think the blog is well-intentioned, but it's also a bit unfair on some men by making all sorts of assumptions and negative sweeping statements.


    What we don't know is how many men have wanted to take parental leave, but haven't done so because their wife / partner wanted or insisted on taking the parental leave. Let's not forget that there will be many women who are perfectly happy - we need to stop thinking that they are not.


    I think the blog also assumes that couples haven't thought it through or even discussed the idea of shared parental leave. It is perfectly reasonable that some couples would like to, but financially can't. I think it really rubs salt in the wound for men who want to do it, but literally can't because they are the higher earners and essentially become trapped by that (I have commented before on why unequal pay harms both men and women).


    I also object to the term "man up" in the context of a blog about equality. It's actually quite a sexist term and has been used in destructive ways towards men. This article better explains. Personally, I'd hate to be chastised and bullied ("man up" can really tread a fine line) by society if I was desperate to share parental leave but couldn't find a way to make it work.


    What would be appropriate is to suggest that men, who are in a position to share parental leave but believe it's the "women's place" or that they can't do it, need to grow up.


     




    Hi David,


    I see your point but I think, in this instance, 'man-up' is not used in a sexist way - the author makes the point of using a sexist expression with a new non-sexist meaning. Man up usually meant 'be macho', 'don't cry', 'be the provider' etc. In this case, it means 'take your responsibilities as a man and as a father'. The responsibilities of a father is to be there for his child in more than one way (financially). Of course there are mothers who prefer to take the whole maternal leave instead of sharing it. Should the father be ok with that? There should be a discussion where it should be pointed that the second parent is also very important in the life of the child and vice versa. We have to de-demonise the words for them to stop being used in a sexist context.


    Furthermore, as Stephen said, it should be the responsibility of the workplace and managers to protect the rights of men to take paternal leave and have flexible hours. I am fortunate enough to work at a university where rights of both men and women, fathers and mothers, are protected. I know for a fact that special arrangements are made for single fathers to be able to leave when they need etc.

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