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What do I expect from IET – Community - France & Paris.

Former Community Member over 6 years ago

Firstly who are the IET Fr MIET members?

I joined this PEI in 1980 from Grenoble. I was on substantive leave from MoD. I decided to stay for a longer period and got married here. At that time we were the first to come over with the EU agreements of that period.

There were already ex-patriot UK people with huge benefits living here, there were the UK EU adventurers with no objectives but work was abundant, there were the first student exchanges, and some had married into French families. I did not meet any UK people who simply came here to live and work at that time.

Most of us found the difference between the UK and France as difficult as between the UK and China. They just did not live, eat or drink like us.

I was advised by the first UK settlers to just join in and enjoy myself, which I did.

I first met French culture when I organised the “entente cordiale” between the Concorde R&D groups of UK RAE and French ONERA. It was unbelievable, when the opportunity to have a job and career change came, I took up nuclear engineering in France.

I returned to the UK which had drastically changed – Thatcher, strikes, riots. My name was plagiarised in my work. I had to leave the UK after my employers failed to protect me. I returned to France.

The first time every one talked of the quality of life in France, the second time it was the Iraqi wars and crisis.

So what do you need to work and survive in France now and how can the IET French Community help.

France is huge; it is not realistic to travel from SE or SW France for a meeting in Paris.

Maybe we need a newcomers guide such as most French towns give to new arrivals.

France is still totally different from the UK.

We have different categories of IET members who are at least engineering & technology related.

-Ex-patriot, UK enterprise sales & marketing staff, Erasmus students, Enterprises from the UK that have delocalised with their staff, those that have married into families, entrepreneurs and SMEs in IT technology and those that now just want to work and live in France etc.

What would you advise

Should we have a MIET arrivals’ guide

Should we have guides to French language courses

Should we have guides to CPD in France

Should we give advice on French administration

What about the dos and don’ts of French culture.

Or should we just mind our own business and keep it to ourselves?

I recommend reading : Stephen Clarke – 1000 years of annoying the French and other titles and most of his references. French English history is not as taught in schools.

Out of season hotels in France are cheap, maybe one or two visits with IET families or friends to E&T venues could be affordable.

And the French Community AGM & voting should be on line and at distance.

I’m retiring from E&T have fun in France

Give Rob McCann some help

John Gowman MIET (ex ITEME Grenobl 1980)

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0 Former Community Member over 6 years ago

Keith,

I have just reached 68
and finally decided to retire, although I am still solicited for
work, my last offers I sent to IET, I am being contacted as there
is a real skills shortage in the UK in my field of
work.

Today in France,
Grenoble is the second R&D centre; I joined ITEME from there in
1980, Toulouse started to send the UK aircraft engineers back home
as they could not integrate into the local communities – darts
& cricket kept them isolated. Paris is mainly ex-patriots on
short term stays. So the situation has changed, we are now many UK
nationals married into local communities all over France, as well
as some EU adventurers, so IET has to change its
approach.

What do you have in mind
with "further developing the IET presence across
France"?

I
have
resigned from ECUK and the Paris Community. I have sent my ideas to
HQ and to the new President IET Paris Community, let the new
generation do as they feel fit.

VIDEO conferencing and
recorded video meetings is one idea, occasional trips to
interesting industrial events, major industrial sites, R&D
centres or Paris engineering shows; I have sent my ideas to HQ and
to IET Paris.

I think that most
members want:-

1.
Registration at
ECUK

2.
To keep in touch with
IET

3.
Social networks have
probably replaced IET communication

4.
Do not want to go to
Paris

5.
Do not want expensive gin
& tonic cocktail parties 200km from home, France is a huge
country.

6.
To be informed of E&T
events in their regions

The Paris community was
a tight knit affaire for ex IEE Ceng and there was no way to be
involved, I was locked out for years. Now it is in new
hands.

It was really
disappointing to hear that the IET President came to Paris whilst
on an IET World tour.

He did not consider it
worth the effort to call a French Community "meet the President"
meeting or even to ask how its members felt about this community,
the NET exists now.

Instead he went to the
combined PEI and French Grand Ecole meeting, we were informed too
late and if most members are like me, they are not interested in
expensive gin& tonic dinner lectures in Paris, Too far &
too expensive.

It seems that our
President has no time for ordinary members and just does not
understand international and French affaires.

He met Monsieur Paccard
who is the A&M Old Boys President, who places all his selective
men and occasional women in top jobs, blocking IET and other Grand
Ecole applicants. This is the same as MIE in the UK (I am awaiting
an overdue reply from Membership on this case).

I mentored over two
years two sets of his master students, he came to see them and me,
he would not hear of free competition, only his students could work
in French industry.

The President talked
about promoting UK Technology in France, this blocks UK engineers
work in French companies. It is also illegal in
France.

He talked about combined
technology projects between France and the UK

·
Concorde, I worked on
Concorde, our only communication with France were the rugby matches
I organised, this attracted me to France. There was no Cooperation,
the work was split at top level, like Air bus today.

·
He mentioned Fusion, JET, ITER not
surprising, he is Deputy Dean of UCL. UCL is the only UK University
still believing in a “Ref House of Lords Fusion Commission - pie in
the sky dream”, His past professors went on to be Directors UKAEA,
CCFE, JET and use IET E&T to promote their dream with no Peer
review of their articles. I was Engineer in Charge at JET, my
career was destroyed by these Grande Ecole Engineers.

·
He talked about Israel and
combined Technology, - Israel sells, we buy. I worked on a Combined
Technology Project for France (I’m British that’s Europe for you),
I taught their Head of Nuclear R&D – Technical French, then DAD
– how to decommission, clean-up and dismantle nuclear R&D
Reactors and nuclear Installations, we worked incooperation with
the IAEA. This done, we checked my work against all nuc R&D
reactors world wide, they can all be safely dismantled with
virtually no waste.

But our President is
above ordinary members, This is the real problem with UK PEIs and
IET in General.

This month E&T &
Members News published articles that would make any reasonable PE
say no thank you to UK PEIs.

- 3 Million PEs not UK
registered,

- Women belittled and
mocked, with only 9% interested in Eng &Tech.

My last R&D project
enterprise was founded by a woman. My last group had four Project
leaders one was not a man (Colouche). We had three sister groups
all managed by women. There is a place for women in engineering but
not with the present ECUK and PEI direction.

Engineering can be fun for
all; why not call for some long week-end trips in France (IET staff
have come along, so why not members and not male MIETs). I
suggested a revue, and was publicly pocked by a past IEE Fr Com
President.

Keith; France is not
Beneluxe, every country in Europe has its traditions and
principles, your ideas are good but are MIETs in France interested
in anything other than titles?

I am now stepping out of
this communication.

Anyone interested
helping the French Communities new President by organising an
event? Or on how to communicate in France.

John
G

Ingénieur
Chercheur retired - MIET

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0 Former Community Member over 6 years ago

Keith,

I have just reached 68
and finally decided to retire, although I am still solicited for
work, my last offers I sent to IET, I am being contacted as there
is a real skills shortage in the UK in my field of
work.

Today in France,
Grenoble is the second R&D centre; I joined ITEME from there in
1980, Toulouse started to send the UK aircraft engineers back home
as they could not integrate into the local communities – darts
& cricket kept them isolated. Paris is mainly ex-patriots on
short term stays. So the situation has changed, we are now many UK
nationals married into local communities all over France, as well
as some EU adventurers, so IET has to change its
approach.

What do you have in mind
with "further developing the IET presence across
France"?

I
have
resigned from ECUK and the Paris Community. I have sent my ideas to
HQ and to the new President IET Paris Community, let the new
generation do as they feel fit.

VIDEO conferencing and
recorded video meetings is one idea, occasional trips to
interesting industrial events, major industrial sites, R&D
centres or Paris engineering shows; I have sent my ideas to HQ and
to IET Paris.

I think that most
members want:-

1.
Registration at
ECUK

2.
To keep in touch with
IET

3.
Social networks have
probably replaced IET communication

4.
Do not want to go to
Paris

5.
Do not want expensive gin
& tonic cocktail parties 200km from home, France is a huge
country.

6.
To be informed of E&T
events in their regions

The Paris community was
a tight knit affaire for ex IEE Ceng and there was no way to be
involved, I was locked out for years. Now it is in new
hands.

It was really
disappointing to hear that the IET President came to Paris whilst
on an IET World tour.

He did not consider it
worth the effort to call a French Community "meet the President"
meeting or even to ask how its members felt about this community,
the NET exists now.

Instead he went to the
combined PEI and French Grand Ecole meeting, we were informed too
late and if most members are like me, they are not interested in
expensive gin& tonic dinner lectures in Paris, Too far &
too expensive.

It seems that our
President has no time for ordinary members and just does not
understand international and French affaires.

He met Monsieur Paccard
who is the A&M Old Boys President, who places all his selective
men and occasional women in top jobs, blocking IET and other Grand
Ecole applicants. This is the same as MIE in the UK (I am awaiting
an overdue reply from Membership on this case).

I mentored over two
years two sets of his master students, he came to see them and me,
he would not hear of free competition, only his students could work
in French industry.

The President talked
about promoting UK Technology in France, this blocks UK engineers
work in French companies. It is also illegal in
France.

He talked about combined
technology projects between France and the UK

·
Concorde, I worked on
Concorde, our only communication with France were the rugby matches
I organised, this attracted me to France. There was no Cooperation,
the work was split at top level, like Air bus today.

·
He mentioned Fusion, JET, ITER not
surprising, he is Deputy Dean of UCL. UCL is the only UK University
still believing in a “Ref House of Lords Fusion Commission - pie in
the sky dream”, His past professors went on to be Directors UKAEA,
CCFE, JET and use IET E&T to promote their dream with no Peer
review of their articles. I was Engineer in Charge at JET, my
career was destroyed by these Grande Ecole Engineers.

·
He talked about Israel and
combined Technology, - Israel sells, we buy. I worked on a Combined
Technology Project for France (I’m British that’s Europe for you),
I taught their Head of Nuclear R&D – Technical French, then DAD
– how to decommission, clean-up and dismantle nuclear R&D
Reactors and nuclear Installations, we worked incooperation with
the IAEA. This done, we checked my work against all nuc R&D
reactors world wide, they can all be safely dismantled with
virtually no waste.

But our President is
above ordinary members, This is the real problem with UK PEIs and
IET in General.

This month E&T &
Members News published articles that would make any reasonable PE
say no thank you to UK PEIs.

- 3 Million PEs not UK
registered,

- Women belittled and
mocked, with only 9% interested in Eng &Tech.

My last R&D project
enterprise was founded by a woman. My last group had four Project
leaders one was not a man (Colouche). We had three sister groups
all managed by women. There is a place for women in engineering but
not with the present ECUK and PEI direction.

Engineering can be fun for
all; why not call for some long week-end trips in France (IET staff
have come along, so why not members and not male MIETs). I
suggested a revue, and was publicly pocked by a past IEE Fr Com
President.

Keith; France is not
Beneluxe, every country in Europe has its traditions and
principles, your ideas are good but are MIETs in France interested
in anything other than titles?

I am now stepping out of
this communication.

Anyone interested
helping the French Communities new President by organising an
event? Or on how to communicate in France.

John
G

Ingénieur
Chercheur retired - MIET

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