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What do I expect from IET – Community - France & Paris.

Former Community Member
Former Community Member
Firstly who are the IET Fr MIET members?

I joined this PEI in 1980 from Grenoble. I was on substantive leave from MoD. I decided to stay for a longer period and got married here. At that time we were the first to come over with the EU agreements of that period.

There were already ex-patriot UK people with huge benefits living here, there were the UK EU adventurers with no objectives but work was abundant, there were the first student exchanges, and some had married into French families. I did not meet any UK people who simply came here to live and work at that time.

 

Most of us found the difference between the UK and France as difficult as between the UK and China. They just did not live, eat or drink like us.

 

I was advised by the first UK settlers to just join in and enjoy myself, which I did.

I first met French culture when I organised the “entente cordiale” between the Concorde R&D groups of UK RAE and French ONERA. It was unbelievable, when the opportunity to have a job and career change came, I took up nuclear engineering in France.

 

I returned to the UK which had drastically changed – Thatcher, strikes, riots. My name  was plagiarised in my work. I had to leave the UK after my employers failed to protect me. I returned to France.

The first time every one talked of the quality of life in France, the second time it was the Iraqi wars and crisis.

 

So what do you need to work and survive in France now and how can the IET French Community help.

France is huge; it is not realistic to travel from SE or SW France for a meeting in Paris.

Maybe we need a newcomers guide such as most French towns give to new arrivals.

France is still totally different from the UK.

We have different categories of IET members who are at least engineering & technology related.

 -Ex-patriot, UK enterprise sales & marketing staff, Erasmus students, Enterprises from the UK that have delocalised with their staff, those that have married into families, entrepreneurs and SMEs in IT technology and those that now just want to work and live in France etc.

What would you advise
  • Should we have a MIET arrivals’ guide

  • Should we have guides to French language courses

  • Should we have guides to CPD in France

  • Should we give advice on French administration

  • What about the dos and don’ts of French culture.


Or should we just mind our own business and keep it to ourselves?

 

I recommend reading : Stephen Clarke – 1000 years of annoying the French and other titles and most of his references. French English history is not as taught in schools.
  •  Out of season hotels in France are cheap, maybe one or two visits with IET families or friends to E&T venues could be affordable.


And the French Community AGM & voting should be on line and at distance.

I’m retiring from E&T have fun in France

 

Give Rob McCann some help

 

John Gowman MIET (ex ITEME Grenobl 1980)

 

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  • Former Community Member
    0 Former Community Member

    I use statistics to analyse
    complicated engineering
    problems.      


    ·        
    3 replies from HQ
    staff


    ·        
    5 replies from IEE past
    members in France


    ·        
    No replies from active PEs
    resident in France.

    I do not have to say
    anymore. Active PEs have to organize IET France as they want it to
    be.





    As the IET continues to
    push out internationally, perhaps there should be some
    consideration as to how the IET could develop its presence further
    across France towards meeting its professional
    objectives?

    J Gowman: I have set up a
    blog on the priority of IET for its members asking why so much
    international effort and not enough European coordination with UK
    PEs. MIET.

    It is now up for active
    PEs in France to organize what they need and want, and then to do
    what is necessary for themselves.




    J Gowman: I joined this
    PEI from France in 1980, I have been refused any contact with
    French IET members because if UK security laws.




    It is normal that the IEE
    members kept up the electrical priorities in France, but that went
    against generalist PEs here.

    I Lisa Miles contacted me
    a few years ago, that is how I learnt about the Paris Office, I
    attended the LU in Paris EPR Financial & Legal Seminar last
    December,; I met Rob Mc Cann after the meeting.  Apparently
    there were other IET Fr members there but we did not meet. That is
    how things are with IET France.




    I hope I'm not implicitly
    arguing for a technical Frexit!

    JG: E Macron has made it
    clear , if you are in France, you do as the French do (just like
    the Romans) .However he has made it clear that he wants a sort of
    Frexit where he can reorganise Europe and make France important
    again. The UK had this opportunity but gave up – hence
    BREXIT.

     It will not be a
    FREXIT, but he is challenging Europe to look after its own
    affaires.




    I am challenging IET to
    give back this PEI to its UK members and all engineers of both
    genders.




    Note:

    I have met UK residents
    every where I have lived in France on the two occasions I have been
    here. Most were not engineers, Those that were engineers gave up C
    Eng and ECUK registration.

    I was in energy and heavy
    industry for a while, there was an active group of UK contract PEs
    mostly HNC, and petrol biased, they met once a month to exchange
    contracting details and new project information.  These are
    the majority of UK PEs in France. None of them were interested in
    PEI ECUK registration.

    This reflects on the last
    UK Engineering survey (Eff) where it was found that PEIs do not
    attract the UK majority of 3 Million PEs and that I Eng is down
    graded.




    From my experience in
    France if you want a job as a full time engineer you only need a
    Master (French Grande Ecole gets first choice).




    If you want to be a
    contracted PE, HNC, or BSc is sufficient with a good
    CV.

    If you were lucky enough
    to be sent over here by your company in the UK, just sit tight and
    get some French CPD.

    If you want gin &
    tonics just stay in touch.




    John Gowman

    - Ingénieur Chercheur
     in France

    -IEng in the UK (ECUK
    retired)

     

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  • Former Community Member
    0 Former Community Member

    I use statistics to analyse
    complicated engineering
    problems.      


    ·        
    3 replies from HQ
    staff


    ·        
    5 replies from IEE past
    members in France


    ·        
    No replies from active PEs
    resident in France.

    I do not have to say
    anymore. Active PEs have to organize IET France as they want it to
    be.





    As the IET continues to
    push out internationally, perhaps there should be some
    consideration as to how the IET could develop its presence further
    across France towards meeting its professional
    objectives?

    J Gowman: I have set up a
    blog on the priority of IET for its members asking why so much
    international effort and not enough European coordination with UK
    PEs. MIET.

    It is now up for active
    PEs in France to organize what they need and want, and then to do
    what is necessary for themselves.




    J Gowman: I joined this
    PEI from France in 1980, I have been refused any contact with
    French IET members because if UK security laws.




    It is normal that the IEE
    members kept up the electrical priorities in France, but that went
    against generalist PEs here.

    I Lisa Miles contacted me
    a few years ago, that is how I learnt about the Paris Office, I
    attended the LU in Paris EPR Financial & Legal Seminar last
    December,; I met Rob Mc Cann after the meeting.  Apparently
    there were other IET Fr members there but we did not meet. That is
    how things are with IET France.




    I hope I'm not implicitly
    arguing for a technical Frexit!

    JG: E Macron has made it
    clear , if you are in France, you do as the French do (just like
    the Romans) .However he has made it clear that he wants a sort of
    Frexit where he can reorganise Europe and make France important
    again. The UK had this opportunity but gave up – hence
    BREXIT.

     It will not be a
    FREXIT, but he is challenging Europe to look after its own
    affaires.




    I am challenging IET to
    give back this PEI to its UK members and all engineers of both
    genders.




    Note:

    I have met UK residents
    every where I have lived in France on the two occasions I have been
    here. Most were not engineers, Those that were engineers gave up C
    Eng and ECUK registration.

    I was in energy and heavy
    industry for a while, there was an active group of UK contract PEs
    mostly HNC, and petrol biased, they met once a month to exchange
    contracting details and new project information.  These are
    the majority of UK PEs in France. None of them were interested in
    PEI ECUK registration.

    This reflects on the last
    UK Engineering survey (Eff) where it was found that PEIs do not
    attract the UK majority of 3 Million PEs and that I Eng is down
    graded.




    From my experience in
    France if you want a job as a full time engineer you only need a
    Master (French Grande Ecole gets first choice).




    If you want to be a
    contracted PE, HNC, or BSc is sufficient with a good
    CV.

    If you were lucky enough
    to be sent over here by your company in the UK, just sit tight and
    get some French CPD.

    If you want gin &
    tonics just stay in touch.




    John Gowman

    - Ingénieur Chercheur
     in France

    -IEng in the UK (ECUK
    retired)

     

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