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What do I expect from IET – Community - France & Paris.

Former Community Member over 8 years ago

Firstly who are the IET Fr MIET members?

I joined this PEI in 1980 from Grenoble. I was on substantive leave from MoD. I decided to stay for a longer period and got married here. At that time we were the first to come over with the EU agreements of that period.

There were already ex-patriot UK people with huge benefits living here, there were the UK EU adventurers with no objectives but work was abundant, there were the first student exchanges, and some had married into French families. I did not meet any UK people who simply came here to live and work at that time.

Most of us found the difference between the UK and France as difficult as between the UK and China. They just did not live, eat or drink like us.

I was advised by the first UK settlers to just join in and enjoy myself, which I did.

I first met French culture when I organised the “entente cordiale” between the Concorde R&D groups of UK RAE and French ONERA. It was unbelievable, when the opportunity to have a job and career change came, I took up nuclear engineering in France.

I returned to the UK which had drastically changed – Thatcher, strikes, riots. My name was plagiarised in my work. I had to leave the UK after my employers failed to protect me. I returned to France.

The first time every one talked of the quality of life in France, the second time it was the Iraqi wars and crisis.

So what do you need to work and survive in France now and how can the IET French Community help.

France is huge; it is not realistic to travel from SE or SW France for a meeting in Paris.

Maybe we need a newcomers guide such as most French towns give to new arrivals.

France is still totally different from the UK.

We have different categories of IET members who are at least engineering & technology related.

-Ex-patriot, UK enterprise sales & marketing staff, Erasmus students, Enterprises from the UK that have delocalised with their staff, those that have married into families, entrepreneurs and SMEs in IT technology and those that now just want to work and live in France etc.

What would you advise

Should we have a MIET arrivals’ guide

Should we have guides to French language courses

Should we have guides to CPD in France

Should we give advice on French administration

What about the dos and don’ts of French culture.

Or should we just mind our own business and keep it to ourselves?

I recommend reading : Stephen Clarke – 1000 years of annoying the French and other titles and most of his references. French English history is not as taught in schools.

Out of season hotels in France are cheap, maybe one or two visits with IET families or friends to E&T venues could be affordable.

And the French Community AGM & voting should be on line and at distance.

I’m retiring from E&T have fun in France

Give Rob McCann some help

John Gowman MIET (ex ITEME Grenobl 1980)

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0 Former Community Member over 7 years ago

Michael,

I had a complaint about one of your blogs, this time I agree with you.

I have made a blog on the engineering community’s site.

It was about what do you expect from your PEI-IET.

You are making the same question here.

Since IEE an IIE have amalgamated in 2006, I feel that ordinary members and those not Electrical C Eng are being ignored and pushed to leave IET, I Eng and BSc PEs are not being recruited.

The UK Engineering 2016 report by Prof EFF has some damaging observations – 3 million UK engineering professionals not ECUK registered at any level, only 9% women in the profession.

*IEng & BSc virtually non existant.

As I have said, I have come across many UK, EU residents who are PEs working in France & Europe, I have never met a CEng not even in IET France none were PEI members of any grade or metier.

The UK has taken a Neo-liberalist, out of date route and IET is a band leader in this domain.

This means that there is :

·         a hegemony of CEng (electrical & IT) who have taken over the IET.

·         Globalisation which means setting up Communities in far reaching areas not for UK citizens working abroad but for commercial reasons recruiting non UK persons.

·         Commodification of that which has no value, we encourage foreign PEs to be proficient in English, get them qualified with UK qualifications and then register them as CEng or IEng with ECUK (who do not agree with this procedure)

·         The foreign members of IET then have one upmanship on their fellow compatriots to work in international firms.

The Board and IET employees are working on this ideal at the expense of UK members, UK PEs not CEng are being left on the sideline.

I asked the question on these ideals, on my blog, there have been very strong replies.

You are right; IET does not give two hoots to EU UK MIETs and certainly to those not CEng or electrical.

*IET has 167000 members and a staff of 500+. IET has killed off the non CEng members.

*IET has lost its way and has nothing to do with engineering and technology since IIE and IEE joined together.

*IET has created a monster that will take over IET for UK nationals. We in Europe are not even taken into account.

Perhaps you could explain to IET the 1901 law in France and the Delit de Merchandise. I think our IET President could have a very long stay in France; firstly at the Hotel de Police and then in a dingy prison with those other misled idealists –ISIS. For they use the same psychology to brain wash people into believing that which has no purpose.

You cannot run a UK PEI branch in France because of the Napoleonic laws. You can own a private association but the UK has nothing to do with it – beware!

You were right, I am disheartened by what I see in IET. Rob has one hell of a job to get something interesting and practical working in France.

We should call for a revision of communities and make a 5S of the IET Staff that get free trips and good salaries for making a pig’s ear of what was a good PEI.

Running an IET branch in France or Europe is difficult, time consuming and participating is also time taking and very costly (unless the company pays ).

I started life in IET – ITEME in 1980, at ILL-RHF, this is the only R&D centre that is European and making a good profit. It is in Grenoble which is France's second R&D conglomerate, it is where Houille Blanche was created and is the leading zone in (Fr silicon valley) IT robotics and even produces the first hydrogen car.

There were IET members there, but you cannot contact them because of IT security laws, the same that prevented me from contacting any IET members in France

– HQ and communities will not be of much help, they have to make money in far off countries.

Who cares about IET members in Europe?

John Gowman,

ingénieur chercheur MIET
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0 Former Community Member over 7 years ago

Michael,

I had a complaint about one of your blogs, this time I agree with you.

I have made a blog on the engineering community’s site.

It was about what do you expect from your PEI-IET.

You are making the same question here.

Since IEE an IIE have amalgamated in 2006, I feel that ordinary members and those not Electrical C Eng are being ignored and pushed to leave IET, I Eng and BSc PEs are not being recruited.

The UK Engineering 2016 report by Prof EFF has some damaging observations – 3 million UK engineering professionals not ECUK registered at any level, only 9% women in the profession.

*IEng & BSc virtually non existant.

As I have said, I have come across many UK, EU residents who are PEs working in France & Europe, I have never met a CEng not even in IET France none were PEI members of any grade or metier.

The UK has taken a Neo-liberalist, out of date route and IET is a band leader in this domain.

This means that there is :

·         a hegemony of CEng (electrical & IT) who have taken over the IET.

·         Globalisation which means setting up Communities in far reaching areas not for UK citizens working abroad but for commercial reasons recruiting non UK persons.

·         Commodification of that which has no value, we encourage foreign PEs to be proficient in English, get them qualified with UK qualifications and then register them as CEng or IEng with ECUK (who do not agree with this procedure)

·         The foreign members of IET then have one upmanship on their fellow compatriots to work in international firms.

The Board and IET employees are working on this ideal at the expense of UK members, UK PEs not CEng are being left on the sideline.

I asked the question on these ideals, on my blog, there have been very strong replies.

You are right; IET does not give two hoots to EU UK MIETs and certainly to those not CEng or electrical.

*IET has 167000 members and a staff of 500+. IET has killed off the non CEng members.

*IET has lost its way and has nothing to do with engineering and technology since IIE and IEE joined together.

*IET has created a monster that will take over IET for UK nationals. We in Europe are not even taken into account.

Perhaps you could explain to IET the 1901 law in France and the Delit de Merchandise. I think our IET President could have a very long stay in France; firstly at the Hotel de Police and then in a dingy prison with those other misled idealists –ISIS. For they use the same psychology to brain wash people into believing that which has no purpose.

You cannot run a UK PEI branch in France because of the Napoleonic laws. You can own a private association but the UK has nothing to do with it – beware!

You were right, I am disheartened by what I see in IET. Rob has one hell of a job to get something interesting and practical working in France.

We should call for a revision of communities and make a 5S of the IET Staff that get free trips and good salaries for making a pig’s ear of what was a good PEI.

Running an IET branch in France or Europe is difficult, time consuming and participating is also time taking and very costly (unless the company pays ).

I started life in IET – ITEME in 1980, at ILL-RHF, this is the only R&D centre that is European and making a good profit. It is in Grenoble which is France's second R&D conglomerate, it is where Houille Blanche was created and is the leading zone in (Fr silicon valley) IT robotics and even produces the first hydrogen car.

There were IET members there, but you cannot contact them because of IT security laws, the same that prevented me from contacting any IET members in France

– HQ and communities will not be of much help, they have to make money in far off countries.

Who cares about IET members in Europe?

John Gowman,

ingénieur chercheur MIET
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