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What do I expect from IET – Community - France & Paris.

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Firstly who are the IET Fr MIET members?

I joined this PEI in 1980 from Grenoble. I was on substantive leave from MoD. I decided to stay for a longer period and got married here. At that time we were the first to come over with the EU agreements of that period.

There were already ex-patriot UK people with huge benefits living here, there were the UK EU adventurers with no objectives but work was abundant, there were the first student exchanges, and some had married into French families. I did not meet any UK people who simply came here to live and work at that time.

 

Most of us found the difference between the UK and France as difficult as between the UK and China. They just did not live, eat or drink like us.

 

I was advised by the first UK settlers to just join in and enjoy myself, which I did.

I first met French culture when I organised the “entente cordiale” between the Concorde R&D groups of UK RAE and French ONERA. It was unbelievable, when the opportunity to have a job and career change came, I took up nuclear engineering in France.

 

I returned to the UK which had drastically changed – Thatcher, strikes, riots. My name  was plagiarised in my work. I had to leave the UK after my employers failed to protect me. I returned to France.

The first time every one talked of the quality of life in France, the second time it was the Iraqi wars and crisis.

 

So what do you need to work and survive in France now and how can the IET French Community help.

France is huge; it is not realistic to travel from SE or SW France for a meeting in Paris.

Maybe we need a newcomers guide such as most French towns give to new arrivals.

France is still totally different from the UK.

We have different categories of IET members who are at least engineering & technology related.

 -Ex-patriot, UK enterprise sales & marketing staff, Erasmus students, Enterprises from the UK that have delocalised with their staff, those that have married into families, entrepreneurs and SMEs in IT technology and those that now just want to work and live in France etc.

What would you advise
  • Should we have a MIET arrivals’ guide

  • Should we have guides to French language courses

  • Should we have guides to CPD in France

  • Should we give advice on French administration

  • What about the dos and don’ts of French culture.


Or should we just mind our own business and keep it to ourselves?

 

I recommend reading : Stephen Clarke – 1000 years of annoying the French and other titles and most of his references. French English history is not as taught in schools.
  •  Out of season hotels in France are cheap, maybe one or two visits with IET families or friends to E&T venues could be affordable.


And the French Community AGM & voting should be on line and at distance.

I’m retiring from E&T have fun in France

 

Give Rob McCann some help

 

John Gowman MIET (ex ITEME Grenobl 1980)

 

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    Keith Parr‍ - Auto joining members to the relevant LN group is something we passed by our DP Officer before we implemented the feature to ensure we were not in breach of any DPA requirements there.


    However, as I understand it, the issue here is that you're asking for the IET to hand over its members personal data to volunteers in order for those volunteers to create their own mailing lists kept on their own personal computers of members contact details in order to send email out to those members from their own email accounts (gmail, hotmail or whatever email provider the volunteer is using). 


    As an IET member myself (and I also have a connection with France as I have a home there too) I would NOT be comfortable with volunteers who are not beholden to the same security processes as IET Staff having access to my personal data.  IET Staff also have to adhere to strict Privacy and Confidentiality laws and can be prosecuted if they are found to be in breach of those. Data Protection is something that has become stricter and stricter over recent years and the halcyon days of the LN Secretary having a copy of the members data for their area has long gone.


    As my colleagues have also said, the simple way of sending an email to the active members (and interested non-members) in France is to either contact your IET Staff contact and ask for assistance in sending a message to the members locally, or for one of the committee to apply to use the Adestra email service themselves and complete the necessary Data Protection training that all IET staff also have to complete. It's that simple...


    Just to also note, your Staff contact can also perform analysis of the membership data for France and give you a multitude of useful statistics and information which is why I always recommend speaking frequently with, and having a close relationship with, your Staff contact. 


    They are here to help....smiley


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    Keith Parr‍ - Auto joining members to the relevant LN group is something we passed by our DP Officer before we implemented the feature to ensure we were not in breach of any DPA requirements there.


    However, as I understand it, the issue here is that you're asking for the IET to hand over its members personal data to volunteers in order for those volunteers to create their own mailing lists kept on their own personal computers of members contact details in order to send email out to those members from their own email accounts (gmail, hotmail or whatever email provider the volunteer is using). 


    As an IET member myself (and I also have a connection with France as I have a home there too) I would NOT be comfortable with volunteers who are not beholden to the same security processes as IET Staff having access to my personal data.  IET Staff also have to adhere to strict Privacy and Confidentiality laws and can be prosecuted if they are found to be in breach of those. Data Protection is something that has become stricter and stricter over recent years and the halcyon days of the LN Secretary having a copy of the members data for their area has long gone.


    As my colleagues have also said, the simple way of sending an email to the active members (and interested non-members) in France is to either contact your IET Staff contact and ask for assistance in sending a message to the members locally, or for one of the committee to apply to use the Adestra email service themselves and complete the necessary Data Protection training that all IET staff also have to complete. It's that simple...


    Just to also note, your Staff contact can also perform analysis of the membership data for France and give you a multitude of useful statistics and information which is why I always recommend speaking frequently with, and having a close relationship with, your Staff contact. 


    They are here to help....smiley


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