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What do I expect from IET – Community - France & Paris.

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Firstly who are the IET Fr MIET members?

I joined this PEI in 1980 from Grenoble. I was on substantive leave from MoD. I decided to stay for a longer period and got married here. At that time we were the first to come over with the EU agreements of that period.

There were already ex-patriot UK people with huge benefits living here, there were the UK EU adventurers with no objectives but work was abundant, there were the first student exchanges, and some had married into French families. I did not meet any UK people who simply came here to live and work at that time.

 

Most of us found the difference between the UK and France as difficult as between the UK and China. They just did not live, eat or drink like us.

 

I was advised by the first UK settlers to just join in and enjoy myself, which I did.

I first met French culture when I organised the “entente cordiale” between the Concorde R&D groups of UK RAE and French ONERA. It was unbelievable, when the opportunity to have a job and career change came, I took up nuclear engineering in France.

 

I returned to the UK which had drastically changed – Thatcher, strikes, riots. My name  was plagiarised in my work. I had to leave the UK after my employers failed to protect me. I returned to France.

The first time every one talked of the quality of life in France, the second time it was the Iraqi wars and crisis.

 

So what do you need to work and survive in France now and how can the IET French Community help.

France is huge; it is not realistic to travel from SE or SW France for a meeting in Paris.

Maybe we need a newcomers guide such as most French towns give to new arrivals.

France is still totally different from the UK.

We have different categories of IET members who are at least engineering & technology related.

 -Ex-patriot, UK enterprise sales & marketing staff, Erasmus students, Enterprises from the UK that have delocalised with their staff, those that have married into families, entrepreneurs and SMEs in IT technology and those that now just want to work and live in France etc.

What would you advise
  • Should we have a MIET arrivals’ guide

  • Should we have guides to French language courses

  • Should we have guides to CPD in France

  • Should we give advice on French administration

  • What about the dos and don’ts of French culture.


Or should we just mind our own business and keep it to ourselves?

 

I recommend reading : Stephen Clarke – 1000 years of annoying the French and other titles and most of his references. French English history is not as taught in schools.
  •  Out of season hotels in France are cheap, maybe one or two visits with IET families or friends to E&T venues could be affordable.


And the French Community AGM & voting should be on line and at distance.

I’m retiring from E&T have fun in France

 

Give Rob McCann some help

 

John Gowman MIET (ex ITEME Grenobl 1980)

 

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    Keith Parr:

     




    "don't know [...] what proportion of members are signed up to receive email communications"



    I find that a bit worrying, it says to me we are using a tool without knowing its effectiveness.  Surely it's not enough to say "I sent it via Adestra" thinking that one is addressing "the membership" when in fact one is addressing some (unknown?) part of the membership.  [Mike's post only serves to underline the importance of really understanding what is (not) happening.]

     

     




    Hi Keith Parr‍ , that's not quite what I said! I don't know the actual figures because I don't look. I leave the detail to Lynsay and the marketing team - in my position I just get the headlines unless I ask. We definitely know its effectiveness and are provided with a fearsome amount of data. The marketers of this world are far better equipped to analyse the interpret the data than I am.


    But, out of interest, I did ask a colleague to dig out some information from me. I've found that only 10 email campaigns have gone out from the France LN workspace in the last decade. One was for an SGM, two of them look like they were re-engagement campaigns to unsubscribers, and another looks like it went out to young members only, so those data sets are very small. The six remaining campaigns all look like events or technical visits of some type. The last email about the annual dinner was opened by 40% of recipients and 3.8% of them clicked through. That might not sound much, but it's actually a pretty decent return.


    Looking at the total number of emails sent out since we've been using this system:

     


    • 2752 data entries (this will include duplicates because we use "fresh" data for each campaign) have been uploaded into the France LN workspace and 90% of those have been "attempted". The 10% that were not attempted are entries that are likely to have been suppressed by Adestra's unsubscribe list that is accumulated across those whole IET.

    • Of the "attempted" emails, all but 12 were actually delivered. It's likely that they bounced due to inboxes no longer being active.

    • 34% of all delivered emails were opened

    • 10% of the opened had the user click and follow a link


    This does suggest that the vast majority of emails are actually being delivered. The open rate for France is also quite good, so it doesn't quite fit the narrative that there's a fundamental issue with the emails in France. I've looked at Keith's and John's data profile in Adestra and can see that you received and opened the last email for France. Keith - you opened it 15 times so you must've been keen wink

    Michael Wrigley‍ I can see that you've not interacted with any France LN emails (so the system hasn't tried to send them to you) and that you haven't unsubscribed, so I've asked someone to look into why this has happened. I'm hoping there's a simple explanation.
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    Keith Parr:

     




    "don't know [...] what proportion of members are signed up to receive email communications"



    I find that a bit worrying, it says to me we are using a tool without knowing its effectiveness.  Surely it's not enough to say "I sent it via Adestra" thinking that one is addressing "the membership" when in fact one is addressing some (unknown?) part of the membership.  [Mike's post only serves to underline the importance of really understanding what is (not) happening.]

     

     




    Hi Keith Parr‍ , that's not quite what I said! I don't know the actual figures because I don't look. I leave the detail to Lynsay and the marketing team - in my position I just get the headlines unless I ask. We definitely know its effectiveness and are provided with a fearsome amount of data. The marketers of this world are far better equipped to analyse the interpret the data than I am.


    But, out of interest, I did ask a colleague to dig out some information from me. I've found that only 10 email campaigns have gone out from the France LN workspace in the last decade. One was for an SGM, two of them look like they were re-engagement campaigns to unsubscribers, and another looks like it went out to young members only, so those data sets are very small. The six remaining campaigns all look like events or technical visits of some type. The last email about the annual dinner was opened by 40% of recipients and 3.8% of them clicked through. That might not sound much, but it's actually a pretty decent return.


    Looking at the total number of emails sent out since we've been using this system:

     


    • 2752 data entries (this will include duplicates because we use "fresh" data for each campaign) have been uploaded into the France LN workspace and 90% of those have been "attempted". The 10% that were not attempted are entries that are likely to have been suppressed by Adestra's unsubscribe list that is accumulated across those whole IET.

    • Of the "attempted" emails, all but 12 were actually delivered. It's likely that they bounced due to inboxes no longer being active.

    • 34% of all delivered emails were opened

    • 10% of the opened had the user click and follow a link


    This does suggest that the vast majority of emails are actually being delivered. The open rate for France is also quite good, so it doesn't quite fit the narrative that there's a fundamental issue with the emails in France. I've looked at Keith's and John's data profile in Adestra and can see that you received and opened the last email for France. Keith - you opened it 15 times so you must've been keen wink

    Michael Wrigley‍ I can see that you've not interacted with any France LN emails (so the system hasn't tried to send them to you) and that you haven't unsubscribed, so I've asked someone to look into why this has happened. I'm hoping there's a simple explanation.
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