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What do I expect from IET – Community - France & Paris.

Former Community Member over 8 years ago

Firstly who are the IET Fr MIET members?

I joined this PEI in 1980 from Grenoble. I was on substantive leave from MoD. I decided to stay for a longer period and got married here. At that time we were the first to come over with the EU agreements of that period.

There were already ex-patriot UK people with huge benefits living here, there were the UK EU adventurers with no objectives but work was abundant, there were the first student exchanges, and some had married into French families. I did not meet any UK people who simply came here to live and work at that time.

Most of us found the difference between the UK and France as difficult as between the UK and China. They just did not live, eat or drink like us.

I was advised by the first UK settlers to just join in and enjoy myself, which I did.

I first met French culture when I organised the “entente cordiale” between the Concorde R&D groups of UK RAE and French ONERA. It was unbelievable, when the opportunity to have a job and career change came, I took up nuclear engineering in France.

I returned to the UK which had drastically changed – Thatcher, strikes, riots. My name was plagiarised in my work. I had to leave the UK after my employers failed to protect me. I returned to France.

The first time every one talked of the quality of life in France, the second time it was the Iraqi wars and crisis.

So what do you need to work and survive in France now and how can the IET French Community help.

France is huge; it is not realistic to travel from SE or SW France for a meeting in Paris.

Maybe we need a newcomers guide such as most French towns give to new arrivals.

France is still totally different from the UK.

We have different categories of IET members who are at least engineering & technology related.

-Ex-patriot, UK enterprise sales & marketing staff, Erasmus students, Enterprises from the UK that have delocalised with their staff, those that have married into families, entrepreneurs and SMEs in IT technology and those that now just want to work and live in France etc.

What would you advise

Should we have a MIET arrivals’ guide

Should we have guides to French language courses

Should we have guides to CPD in France

Should we give advice on French administration

What about the dos and don’ts of French culture.

Or should we just mind our own business and keep it to ourselves?

I recommend reading : Stephen Clarke – 1000 years of annoying the French and other titles and most of his references. French English history is not as taught in schools.

Out of season hotels in France are cheap, maybe one or two visits with IET families or friends to E&T venues could be affordable.

And the French Community AGM & voting should be on line and at distance.

I’m retiring from E&T have fun in France

Give Rob McCann some help

John Gowman MIET (ex ITEME Grenobl 1980)

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0 Former Community Member over 7 years ago

To
communities.

I have complained about
Mr Wrigley after checking the net. You dumped my
complaint.

The net has no interest
in document management, so there are out of date references to
Michael which would confuse most people.

I would call him a modern
European entrepreneur, an electron libre who is based in the UK and
CK probably for fiscal and professional reasons.

His comments are on the
limit, for example Diesel cars having access to Paris for IET
meetings, there are Critères to respect, if you do not have a
critère your car
will be impounded and you have to pay 130€ fine. He has no critère;
I have critère 5 and am no longer allowed in Paris on working
days.

The whole idea of LN and
communities has to be re-examined.

It has been my work for
the last 15 years to “surveille” complicated engineering projects,
and organizations . IET needs to do the same.

IET has drifted away from
its ideals in 2006, You staff members work to IET management rules
so no one can complain, but IET has failed in the UK, as I have
said, we have lost the IEng ideal, we are not recruiting the 3
million no registered PEs and the UK treatment of women is
disgraceful.

~~You~~
The IET Direction has
taken a path that no longer interests me, and as a founder member
of engineering & technology, at ITEME >>> IIE I see no
real interest in its ideals of globalization,
commoditization CEng and electrical hegemony all leading to
rival and obstructive communities in the UK, Europe and
worldwide.

I have to agree with both
IET staff and Michael Wrigley.

My interest is that young
professional of both genders, at all grades and with sound links
with the UK should be registered on an PE register in the UK
without referees, proposers and assossors. (I have applied for C
Eng on five occasions from France through other PEIs and have been
refused) I should be CEng. I have refused IIE Honary membership as
I could not find the means to apply my self to IET and to keeping a
professional status in Europe.

Working in Europe is
tough if you do it on your own.

I was nominated to run
the IIE as “Secretary” and stood down to let a woman have a chance.
She seems to be one of the IET top staff now.

The French LN – Please
have IET legal dept check out in detail what I say from
experience.

This is a complicated set
up as Michael has stated. We are an association
under the law 1901; this means that any person of any origin social
status, education or gender cannot be refused membership. We have
to present the accounts to the French authorities each year the
association is liable to its owner who takes full responsibility
for the legal actions of the association.

In no way can LN IET
France be influenced or controlled by an outside foreign body. Thus
IET has no say in IET community France.

This associations was
called IEE what its status and name is now I have no
idea.

I do not know who is a
member of the French association IEE I have not been invited to
vote for the executive.

We have your LN which is
the French communities. This is what HQ is concerned
about.

It is what happens in
France. But you have no rite under French law to have a private
association which is not an Association Law 1901.

This is why I said our
president could be at risk in France, the consequences of not
respecting the law 1901 is a bit like treason in France. Do not
forget we have Riots & Revolutions here, Mai 68 spoilt my
holidays.

I have not been able to
contact IET France until Lisa sent me an email a few years ago when
she ran the French LN communication. I have voted twice for the Fr
LN committee, I have been a member here since 1880 – 83 & 1991
to now, I joined the Fr LN two years ago.

UK IET members resident
in France are expatriots with full advantages, UK government
financed R&D staff, of major projects, workers transferred here
with no options but to accept, and entrepreneurs who a testing
Europe and of course those who are married into or have French
families.

There are probably twice
as many PEs here who are not members of PEIs not CEng or IEng and
are contract or short term employees of engineering or sales
companies. Most of the two groups have great difficulty in
participating in IET france because the country is very big and
transport is difficult if you do not go to Paris.

We just went for a day at
the sea side 8 hours transport and 840 KM.

Your solutions are not
easy.

1.
Do a Kaisen 5S

2.
Do nothing; leave
things as they are

3.
Set up a Paris
office of democratically voted (IET French residents)

4.
Let only French resident
MIETs be voting members

5.
Let Rob and other multi
card PEI holders organize joint PEI events with universities and
major enterprises.

6.
Run all events from HQ
UK

7.
Use MIET volunteers
organize events and call on HQ to do the ground work

Why not run down all EU
LNs set up LN EU from the UK; let multi card PEI holders organize
joint PEI events with universities and major
enterprises?

IET has a major problem
with IT communication, you might think it is all working well, LN
Fr members are not being informed.

I will not use social
networks, I think many have the same attitude.

·  Those that want to and
have time to can volunteer

* We only need to
vote once a year for the LN if it is in France or the
UK.

·
We need to know, well in
advance if there are any interesting events we could possibly
attend.

·
New comers need to know
of the pitfalls of living in Europe.

·
They need to know of CPD
possibilities in France I undertook much of my CPD in France with
leading organizations.

·
They need to know how to
learn French ( I learnt French after GCE O Level in 3
months)

IIE had no office in
France – we did not really need one, we had a very good journal and
I would think that most people lived too far away to make personal
contact. I am not sure that I would want to make personal contact
any way.

I have written to the
President, to membership and have been ignored.

I have written to ECUK
and they agree with me but have no right to take any action
concerning the running of PEIs If we had the UK 2016 Engineering
review and Prof Eff’s report which was very damaging, there is a
real problem with IET and all PEIs in the UK.

I see the Uk residents
holding joint PEI meetings all across Europe as a very good
solution to the PEI decline and mismanagement.

We need a 5S of the
whole system.

My job was to pin-point
the errors and hidden vices, I reported to my superiors who
reported to the President (of france). He took action
immediately.

Let’s close this blog and
see some positive action.

John Gowman
MIET

British, resident
in France, too far away from Paris
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0 Former Community Member over 7 years ago

To
communities.

I have complained about
Mr Wrigley after checking the net. You dumped my
complaint.

The net has no interest
in document management, so there are out of date references to
Michael which would confuse most people.

I would call him a modern
European entrepreneur, an electron libre who is based in the UK and
CK probably for fiscal and professional reasons.

His comments are on the
limit, for example Diesel cars having access to Paris for IET
meetings, there are Critères to respect, if you do not have a
critère your car
will be impounded and you have to pay 130€ fine. He has no critère;
I have critère 5 and am no longer allowed in Paris on working
days.

The whole idea of LN and
communities has to be re-examined.

It has been my work for
the last 15 years to “surveille” complicated engineering projects,
and organizations . IET needs to do the same.

IET has drifted away from
its ideals in 2006, You staff members work to IET management rules
so no one can complain, but IET has failed in the UK, as I have
said, we have lost the IEng ideal, we are not recruiting the 3
million no registered PEs and the UK treatment of women is
disgraceful.

~~You~~
The IET Direction has
taken a path that no longer interests me, and as a founder member
of engineering & technology, at ITEME >>> IIE I see no
real interest in its ideals of globalization,
commoditization CEng and electrical hegemony all leading to
rival and obstructive communities in the UK, Europe and
worldwide.

I have to agree with both
IET staff and Michael Wrigley.

My interest is that young
professional of both genders, at all grades and with sound links
with the UK should be registered on an PE register in the UK
without referees, proposers and assossors. (I have applied for C
Eng on five occasions from France through other PEIs and have been
refused) I should be CEng. I have refused IIE Honary membership as
I could not find the means to apply my self to IET and to keeping a
professional status in Europe.

Working in Europe is
tough if you do it on your own.

I was nominated to run
the IIE as “Secretary” and stood down to let a woman have a chance.
She seems to be one of the IET top staff now.

The French LN – Please
have IET legal dept check out in detail what I say from
experience.

This is a complicated set
up as Michael has stated. We are an association
under the law 1901; this means that any person of any origin social
status, education or gender cannot be refused membership. We have
to present the accounts to the French authorities each year the
association is liable to its owner who takes full responsibility
for the legal actions of the association.

In no way can LN IET
France be influenced or controlled by an outside foreign body. Thus
IET has no say in IET community France.

This associations was
called IEE what its status and name is now I have no
idea.

I do not know who is a
member of the French association IEE I have not been invited to
vote for the executive.

We have your LN which is
the French communities. This is what HQ is concerned
about.

It is what happens in
France. But you have no rite under French law to have a private
association which is not an Association Law 1901.

This is why I said our
president could be at risk in France, the consequences of not
respecting the law 1901 is a bit like treason in France. Do not
forget we have Riots & Revolutions here, Mai 68 spoilt my
holidays.

I have not been able to
contact IET France until Lisa sent me an email a few years ago when
she ran the French LN communication. I have voted twice for the Fr
LN committee, I have been a member here since 1880 – 83 & 1991
to now, I joined the Fr LN two years ago.

UK IET members resident
in France are expatriots with full advantages, UK government
financed R&D staff, of major projects, workers transferred here
with no options but to accept, and entrepreneurs who a testing
Europe and of course those who are married into or have French
families.

There are probably twice
as many PEs here who are not members of PEIs not CEng or IEng and
are contract or short term employees of engineering or sales
companies. Most of the two groups have great difficulty in
participating in IET france because the country is very big and
transport is difficult if you do not go to Paris.

We just went for a day at
the sea side 8 hours transport and 840 KM.

Your solutions are not
easy.

1.
Do a Kaisen 5S

2.
Do nothing; leave
things as they are

3.
Set up a Paris
office of democratically voted (IET French residents)

4.
Let only French resident
MIETs be voting members

5.
Let Rob and other multi
card PEI holders organize joint PEI events with universities and
major enterprises.

6.
Run all events from HQ
UK

7.
Use MIET volunteers
organize events and call on HQ to do the ground work

Why not run down all EU
LNs set up LN EU from the UK; let multi card PEI holders organize
joint PEI events with universities and major
enterprises?

IET has a major problem
with IT communication, you might think it is all working well, LN
Fr members are not being informed.

I will not use social
networks, I think many have the same attitude.

·  Those that want to and
have time to can volunteer

* We only need to
vote once a year for the LN if it is in France or the
UK.

·
We need to know, well in
advance if there are any interesting events we could possibly
attend.

·
New comers need to know
of the pitfalls of living in Europe.

·
They need to know of CPD
possibilities in France I undertook much of my CPD in France with
leading organizations.

·
They need to know how to
learn French ( I learnt French after GCE O Level in 3
months)

IIE had no office in
France – we did not really need one, we had a very good journal and
I would think that most people lived too far away to make personal
contact. I am not sure that I would want to make personal contact
any way.

I have written to the
President, to membership and have been ignored.

I have written to ECUK
and they agree with me but have no right to take any action
concerning the running of PEIs If we had the UK 2016 Engineering
review and Prof Eff’s report which was very damaging, there is a
real problem with IET and all PEIs in the UK.

I see the Uk residents
holding joint PEI meetings all across Europe as a very good
solution to the PEI decline and mismanagement.

We need a 5S of the
whole system.

My job was to pin-point
the errors and hidden vices, I reported to my superiors who
reported to the President (of france). He took action
immediately.

Let’s close this blog and
see some positive action.

John Gowman
MIET

British, resident
in France, too far away from Paris
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