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What do I expect from IET – Community - France & Paris.

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Firstly who are the IET Fr MIET members?

I joined this PEI in 1980 from Grenoble. I was on substantive leave from MoD. I decided to stay for a longer period and got married here. At that time we were the first to come over with the EU agreements of that period.

There were already ex-patriot UK people with huge benefits living here, there were the UK EU adventurers with no objectives but work was abundant, there were the first student exchanges, and some had married into French families. I did not meet any UK people who simply came here to live and work at that time.

 

Most of us found the difference between the UK and France as difficult as between the UK and China. They just did not live, eat or drink like us.

 

I was advised by the first UK settlers to just join in and enjoy myself, which I did.

I first met French culture when I organised the “entente cordiale” between the Concorde R&D groups of UK RAE and French ONERA. It was unbelievable, when the opportunity to have a job and career change came, I took up nuclear engineering in France.

 

I returned to the UK which had drastically changed – Thatcher, strikes, riots. My name  was plagiarised in my work. I had to leave the UK after my employers failed to protect me. I returned to France.

The first time every one talked of the quality of life in France, the second time it was the Iraqi wars and crisis.

 

So what do you need to work and survive in France now and how can the IET French Community help.

France is huge; it is not realistic to travel from SE or SW France for a meeting in Paris.

Maybe we need a newcomers guide such as most French towns give to new arrivals.

France is still totally different from the UK.

We have different categories of IET members who are at least engineering & technology related.

 -Ex-patriot, UK enterprise sales & marketing staff, Erasmus students, Enterprises from the UK that have delocalised with their staff, those that have married into families, entrepreneurs and SMEs in IT technology and those that now just want to work and live in France etc.

What would you advise
  • Should we have a MIET arrivals’ guide

  • Should we have guides to French language courses

  • Should we have guides to CPD in France

  • Should we give advice on French administration

  • What about the dos and don’ts of French culture.


Or should we just mind our own business and keep it to ourselves?

 

I recommend reading : Stephen Clarke – 1000 years of annoying the French and other titles and most of his references. French English history is not as taught in schools.
  •  Out of season hotels in France are cheap, maybe one or two visits with IET families or friends to E&T venues could be affordable.


And the French Community AGM & voting should be on line and at distance.

I’m retiring from E&T have fun in France

 

Give Rob McCann some help

 

John Gowman MIET (ex ITEME Grenobl 1980)

 

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  • Former Community Member
    0 Former Community Member
    To communities & LN MIET France

    Last communication to Communities HQ & France.

    1. Commoditization:, selling something which previously had no value but is now commoditized  for profit.

    • IET membership France LN and CEng Europe.

    Solution

    1. LN France run by volunteers in France, but registered and administered from IET HQ UK.

    • Let IET members in Europe be FEANI registered Eur IEngwith BSc University degrees.

    • LN France is for MIETs who reside or work in France only.

    Comments & observations.
    There were at least members from IEE and ITEME resident in France in 1980; this is as far back as we need to go as these people will have reached the 67 years of age retirement age.
    ITEME members had no EU LN, They were UK registered PEs and any other Title was useless in Europe, some were FEANI members before FEANI changed to create EUR Ing.
    IEE had a French LN seat.
    IET changed the situation.

    Now we do not know how many LN Fr registered MIET actually reside in France, or where the concentration of numbers lies.
    IET LN Fr is French registered 1901 Association and an also IET Community. This is confusing to say the least.
    I have called for a clarification and reorganization that meets: EU, French & UK legislation for professional associations.

    Firstly :

    • Let’s get LN France back to promoting Engineering & Technology for all grades, genders for MIET resident in or working with or in France.

    • Then make this the rule for all IET LN in Europe – before BREXIT.

    • Get back to IET basics set out in 2006.

    • As CEng or IENG or Eng Tech is only useful for those who wish to return to the UK or work with the UK; promote Eur Ing FEANI for all who want a registered PE title in Europe, this can be achieved with BSc and HQ will help any MIET who is interested.

    • The French LN should go back to UK PE basics and help non University MEng or BSc PEs to follow the long route for CEng or IEng UK ECUK PE registration or even the possible new registration of Professional Engineer.

    • Make a geographical survey of member’ domiciles and make it public without breaking any IT security laws. In France marketing asks you for your Department Number, IET could do the same.

    MIET Volunteers resident in France could continue, as before, with their administration carried out by IET paid staff in Communities HQ UK.
    It is probably a fair statement to say that the Fr LN cannot be organized as in the UK or Benelux, as France is a huge country and communication is poor.
    The LNs in Europe are showing ECUK and the UK PEIs how to cooperate, communicate and work together with their combined PEI, University and International industrial groups’ seminars and meetings.
    Technology visits can be conceived in France and organized by IET Communities, being open to all members, staff and other interested bodies.

    In conclusion,
    LN France can be run legally from HQ UK without changing the setup we have today.
    All MIET domiciled in France should be informed of LN Fr elections and meetings.
    This should not involve IT tools that no one knows of or is interested in. An Email is sufficient, or a mention in Members’ News sent by the post.
    Why not give the results of the LN Fr survey on residents’ departments in Members’ News.

    Why make it complicated when you can make it simple.
    Or just stay as we are.

    John Gowman, MIET, British, resident in France
    EU Classification :  EU industrial vagabond ( has this changed now?) 
    This includes Gypsies and PEs working outside of their EU homeland.

    JGowman, MIET Member registered in France since 1980 probably one of IET’s longest EU LN members still professionally active. I have only met one person from IET in France and that was Rob last year.
    RSVP
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  • Former Community Member
    0 Former Community Member
    To communities & LN MIET France

    Last communication to Communities HQ & France.

    1. Commoditization:, selling something which previously had no value but is now commoditized  for profit.

    • IET membership France LN and CEng Europe.

    Solution

    1. LN France run by volunteers in France, but registered and administered from IET HQ UK.

    • Let IET members in Europe be FEANI registered Eur IEngwith BSc University degrees.

    • LN France is for MIETs who reside or work in France only.

    Comments & observations.
    There were at least members from IEE and ITEME resident in France in 1980; this is as far back as we need to go as these people will have reached the 67 years of age retirement age.
    ITEME members had no EU LN, They were UK registered PEs and any other Title was useless in Europe, some were FEANI members before FEANI changed to create EUR Ing.
    IEE had a French LN seat.
    IET changed the situation.

    Now we do not know how many LN Fr registered MIET actually reside in France, or where the concentration of numbers lies.
    IET LN Fr is French registered 1901 Association and an also IET Community. This is confusing to say the least.
    I have called for a clarification and reorganization that meets: EU, French & UK legislation for professional associations.

    Firstly :

    • Let’s get LN France back to promoting Engineering & Technology for all grades, genders for MIET resident in or working with or in France.

    • Then make this the rule for all IET LN in Europe – before BREXIT.

    • Get back to IET basics set out in 2006.

    • As CEng or IENG or Eng Tech is only useful for those who wish to return to the UK or work with the UK; promote Eur Ing FEANI for all who want a registered PE title in Europe, this can be achieved with BSc and HQ will help any MIET who is interested.

    • The French LN should go back to UK PE basics and help non University MEng or BSc PEs to follow the long route for CEng or IEng UK ECUK PE registration or even the possible new registration of Professional Engineer.

    • Make a geographical survey of member’ domiciles and make it public without breaking any IT security laws. In France marketing asks you for your Department Number, IET could do the same.

    MIET Volunteers resident in France could continue, as before, with their administration carried out by IET paid staff in Communities HQ UK.
    It is probably a fair statement to say that the Fr LN cannot be organized as in the UK or Benelux, as France is a huge country and communication is poor.
    The LNs in Europe are showing ECUK and the UK PEIs how to cooperate, communicate and work together with their combined PEI, University and International industrial groups’ seminars and meetings.
    Technology visits can be conceived in France and organized by IET Communities, being open to all members, staff and other interested bodies.

    In conclusion,
    LN France can be run legally from HQ UK without changing the setup we have today.
    All MIET domiciled in France should be informed of LN Fr elections and meetings.
    This should not involve IT tools that no one knows of or is interested in. An Email is sufficient, or a mention in Members’ News sent by the post.
    Why not give the results of the LN Fr survey on residents’ departments in Members’ News.

    Why make it complicated when you can make it simple.
    Or just stay as we are.

    John Gowman, MIET, British, resident in France
    EU Classification :  EU industrial vagabond ( has this changed now?) 
    This includes Gypsies and PEs working outside of their EU homeland.

    JGowman, MIET Member registered in France since 1980 probably one of IET’s longest EU LN members still professionally active. I have only met one person from IET in France and that was Rob last year.
    RSVP
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