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BIG BATTERY BLAZE.

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Huge Merseyside blaze which took 59 hours to extinguish was caused by explosion | Daily Mail Online

Merseyside Fire & Rescue Service  initially mistook the battery cabins for refrigeration units.

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  • Agree, site these batteries were they can do minimal harm in the event of accident. They are probably no more dangerous than petrol, LNG, hydrogen, or LPG tanks with a similar energy content.

  • The energy storage per cubic metre for Li ion batteries is much more than any of these compressed / liquid gasses. This needs to be very firmly understood, and is why the "hydrogen economy" is very much a non-starter. A litre of liquid hydrogen ony contains about 1/12 th of the energy of a litre of diesel! It appears to me that the danger from large scale Li storage is not yet realised. A facility that stored say 10GWhr of power would have more energy than a large nuke, and I wouldn't want to be within miles if it really went up.

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  • The energy storage per cubic metre for Li ion batteries is much more than any of these compressed / liquid gasses. This needs to be very firmly understood, and is why the "hydrogen economy" is very much a non-starter. A litre of liquid hydrogen ony contains about 1/12 th of the energy of a litre of diesel! It appears to me that the danger from large scale Li storage is not yet realised. A facility that stored say 10GWhr of power would have more energy than a large nuke, and I wouldn't want to be within miles if it really went up.

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  • The energy in the batteries is more than that associated with the pressure in e.g. a propane tank, but less than that associated with the fuel content, for a given volume. Batteries tend to catch fire and burn, exploding only weakly from e.g. pressurisation of the casings. Still, if you want to look at it in terms of energy:

    10 GWh = 3.6e+13 Joules
    Lets say a "large nuke" is 250 kilotons, that's 1e+15 Joules
    Let's call a "small nuke" 10 kilotons, 4e+13 Joules, more comparable.

    And for reference:
    A road tanker full of diesel: 35,000 litres * 38 MJ/L = 1e+12 Joules

    The big pile of coal formerly outside Drax, 8e+15 Joules

    Buncefield oil terminal, 2.7e+8 litres of various oil products, around 1e+16 Joules

    Typical LNG carrier, 1.3e+19 Joules.

    It's not about how much energy, it's about how quickly you release it. I'd worry about being downwind of a big battery fire from a pollution perspective, but no more than I'd worry about Fawley refinery which I am currently downwind of.