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A wonderful comment has just been made in the Grenfell inquiry about fire risk assessment.

David Stone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-mBMcX_2pA About 1 hour 3 minutes from the end.  (-1:03:00)

Competence is under discussion for Fire Engineers, it might well apply to electricians, and designers too. and is all about assessing risk.

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  • Very true (30 mins in) but about half an hour on from that he is not that sure of the competence of the Thames Water people either, and their knowledge of how much or little water is actually going to  come out of hydrants and confusion over washout points versus proper fire hydrants. And most worryingly not so much that all the folk on the front line do not know, as maybe not everyone needs to, but also that there is no expert on call back up the chain to whom such system architecture questions can be escalated for a quick response during an on-going emergency. The 'phone a friend' lifeline where you can get the chief out of bed is missing.

    All a bit depressing.

    I suspect something similar is also true of the DNOs, just that perhaps luckily, fire engines do not need to be plugged in and take all the local supply while operating. It would be interesting to know how easy it is to get the area engineers out of bed if there was a big electrical incident.

    Mike

    PS more on fire hydrants and a lack of test limits or indeed test data.

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  • Very true (30 mins in) but about half an hour on from that he is not that sure of the competence of the Thames Water people either, and their knowledge of how much or little water is actually going to  come out of hydrants and confusion over washout points versus proper fire hydrants. And most worryingly not so much that all the folk on the front line do not know, as maybe not everyone needs to, but also that there is no expert on call back up the chain to whom such system architecture questions can be escalated for a quick response during an on-going emergency. The 'phone a friend' lifeline where you can get the chief out of bed is missing.

    All a bit depressing.

    I suspect something similar is also true of the DNOs, just that perhaps luckily, fire engines do not need to be plugged in and take all the local supply while operating. It would be interesting to know how easy it is to get the area engineers out of bed if there was a big electrical incident.

    Mike

    PS more on fire hydrants and a lack of test limits or indeed test data.

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