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INSULATE BRITAIN. What does that mean?

This has been the cry of activists who obstruct traffic by glueing themselves to roads and creating general havoc. Some may admire their motives in consideration for future generations, as we adapt to abolishing the usage of fossil fuels. However making a confounded nuisance of onself is not the way to make friends and influence people.

In any case the message is very broad and unclear. What exactly is the course of action that the government is being demanded to take?

When I moved in to my present house, it had cavity insulation, double glazing all round and loft insulation. I found that the loft insulation was thin and inadequate, so I augmented it to meet the recommended standards of the time (about 30 years ago). Ostensibly it ticks the most-important boxes. However I have no doubt that a surveyor could suggest further improvements. Have standards for loft insulation been raised further? (If so, a lot of upheaval.) How about fitting a draught-proof letterbox? Could we improve the sealing round some doors and windows? And so on.

Over the years I discovered a problem that creates a much bigger heat loss than any of these latter-day remedies would save. Upon lifting floor boards to run wires, I was appalled to find no insulation on any of the pipes carrying hot water. I surveyed to house to estimate the likely total length of central heating pipe. I calculated the surface area to be roughly equivalent to a largish radiator. That is well over a kilowatt of wasted heat. Little of this heat is likely to find its way through boards and carpets into the rooms above. Most of it will be blown away through air bricks. It would have been easy enough to install this insulation along with the pipework, but to add it retrospectively would be prohibitively disruptive and expensive.

In my opinion, any pipe carrying hot water for any purpose should be insulated. The only exception would be pipes above floor level leading directly into radiators. I hear little in the media about the importance of pipe insulation, but plenty about things like not leaving the TV on standby, saving about a watt.

We can also consider pipes carrying hot water to taps. We are familiar with the frequent need to run off cold water to reach the hot. This represents wastage of water, energy and time. I did some checks in a washroom handbasin. I measured seven litres of water run off before hot water emerged. I also checked how much hot water would pass if I cleaned my teeth with the tap running. One litre! Again the common energy saving advice focuses on the wrong targets. When our kitchen was refitted, hot pipes were temporarily exposed. I took the opportunity to insulate them. This made a notable difference in how often cold water needed to be run off from the kitchen hot tap.

I have little doubt that new houses are being built with standards of insulation far higher than can be achieved by my own. Older housing will continue to exist for very many years. We will need to accept that we need to strive to produce enough renewable energy to cover the unavoidable losses due to the poorer insulation of older houses.

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  • I don't think Insulate Britain are too worried about relatively well-off engineers who can afford to update the insulation in their own homes.  The problem is:

    • People in rented accommodation who don't have any say in how their homes are maintained.
    • People who own their homes, but can't afford to improve them (e.g. pensioners).

    The government has set minimum EPC requirements for rented accommodation, but the bar has been set very low.

    For people who have low incomes, the government occasionally runs grant schemes.  These are usually very limited, and attract the cowboys who do the worst possible jobs for as much grant money as they can claim.  They are well aware that the people actually paying are very unlikely to ever inspect the work done.

    So every winter, we spend more money than we can afford, importing loads of fossil fuels to keep badly insulated houses barely warm.  The free market has no incentive to fix this.  Landlords don't want to pay out their own money so that their tenants can save on heating bills.  And as far as the markets are concerned, if you have no money to pay for home improvements than you cannot create a "demand".

    So Insulate Britain wants the government to stop faffing about with half-baked schemes that don't work, and embark on a major programme to upgrade the housing stock in the UK to something that's more like what they have in other countries at similar latitudes.

  • Plus the dwindling stock of social housing that the  government appears determined to make as poor quality as possible.

  • Don't overlook the consequences of UK's approach to freehold and leasehold, where folk who buy a leasehold flat, well the inside of it at least, have no control over anything outside the plaster, below the floor boards or above the ceiling, as that is the freeholders property. The freeholder has no incentive to insulate or even really to keep it dry, as the  ground rent keeps coming in anyway, so why spend any money.

    It is the leaseholders who freeze or pay more for fuel, but legally are not allowed to do much about it.

    Worse when the leaseholders let that flat out. The tenant suffers, the leaseholder as the landlord & flat owner gets the blame,, but has virtually no power to force activity if the freeholder decides to do very little.

    I imagine that a lot of rental properly will go off the market when the EPC levels are increased, as the leaseholder landlords will be unable to persuade the freeholders to do anything like loft insulation or cladding unless they are compelled.

    The solution is commonhold, but it is not common in the UK.

    Mike.

  • I don't think Insulate Britain are too worried about relatively well-off engineers who can afford to update the insulation in their own homes.

    Well, I am not an engineer, but mea culpa, maxima mea culpa. Cost v savings is entirely dependent upon the price of energy. The high price of energy has now made it beneficial for me to improve my insulation.

    I entirely take the point that less well off renters are, for want of a better phrase, in the poo. Perhaps in the real world, rent should reflect the cost of heating?

    If I had had an income last year which just matched my regular expenses, I do not know how I would have coped with the energy price rises.

    FWIW, I am a pensioner.

  • I'm glad to be out of leasehold now.  Scotland doesn't have leaseholds, but the English government is too timid to get rid of it - there are too many wealthy freeholders.

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