Engineering Ethics

It is desirable for the IET to develop guidelines on Engineering Ethics and Responsible Governance of Emerging Technologies

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  • It is not clear to me what you mean by responsible Governance of "Merging" technologies?

    For example are you talking about merging concrete manufacture with medical equipment design!

    I have to assume you might mean merging medical equipment with AI software operating software.

    On the subject of ethics it really depends on where one resides or practices. By being a member of the IET you are governed by English and Welsh law.

    The IEEE (which has a presence in the UK ) has it own (and different ) ethics rules.

    Peter Brooks

    Palm Bay FL   

  • I am sorry for the mistyping Peter. it should be Emerging not Merging.

    as for IEEE, I am well familiar with their code of ethics and conduct. this is not what I am arguing about here and again with reference to IEEE, I am more arguing about IEEE initiatives such as IEEE 7000 series of standards on Tech Ethics and their CertifAIEd programme that I have had a role in

  • It has been a major concern of mine over the years, that the IET has a too parochial  (narrow) viewpoint. 

    I don't know where you actually reside, but I, as a US citizen, do not like being effectively governed by English and Welsh laws, as required by the IET.  

    Your example about AI being an emerging technology brings to mind the incorporation of AI software into medical devices. Here in the US the FDA has to approve the complete (hardware and software) product before it can be sold.

    Peter Brooks

    Palm Bay FL

  • Thanks Peter

    I am resident in London UK. as for my note for the IET, I have led a programme for IEEE over the past 8 years to develop standards and a certification system for AI Ethics that can be generalised for ethics of emerging technologies. IEEE now offers this as a global service (AI Ethics certification) under the CertifAIEd mark (see https://engagestandards.ieee.org/ieeecertifaied).

    I am hoping the IET takes a similar responsible approach and does not suffice to referencing Eng Council or RAE as those who lead on this.

    cheers

  • Have you seen my "'Engineering Discussion" question about cleaning up an existing AI system when fake or inadequate information has been used during it's  training session?

    Do you read Medical research articles published in the Lancet, JAMA or NEMJ about problems with the new AI systems?

    One of my "work related jobs" before I fully retired was in "Configuration management" which involved products, processes and software.

    The major problem was trying to determine if a proposed change was "Major" or "Minor", from a traceability viewpoint. Software changes proved very difficult in this respect. 

    I recently see a lot of medical equipment recalls (for example reset glitches) because of software updates.

    Peter 

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  • Have you seen my "'Engineering Discussion" question about cleaning up an existing AI system when fake or inadequate information has been used during it's  training session?

    Do you read Medical research articles published in the Lancet, JAMA or NEMJ about problems with the new AI systems?

    One of my "work related jobs" before I fully retired was in "Configuration management" which involved products, processes and software.

    The major problem was trying to determine if a proposed change was "Major" or "Minor", from a traceability viewpoint. Software changes proved very difficult in this respect. 

    I recently see a lot of medical equipment recalls (for example reset glitches) because of software updates.

    Peter 

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  • Thanks Peter

    WE are doing a few profiling exercises on specific sectors under the IEEE AI Ethics programme but have not done for eHealth or Medical applications yet. I do not read medical research articles specifically.

    I am a fan of Config Mgt, preach and apply it in my work. appreciate your comments and observations however. hope we can convince the IET to embark on some action in this context.

    cheers

  • To me, medical related software system problems are the most "mission critical"  (as NASA would say - I live on the Space Coast) application.

    Recently a company withdraw from the LVAD business because of software problems.

    By the way LVAD is currently the "go to" bridge technology if one can not get a heart transplant. If the system stops you die!

    Peter Brooks

    Palm Bay