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GRENFELL TOWER REPORT PUBLISHED TODAY

John Peckham

I listened this morning Sir Martin Moore-Bick introducing his report on the Grenfell Tower fire on the radio.

I was interested in him saying that person were incompetent, dishonest and greedy.

Probably no different to other industries where profit, salaries and dividends are more important than public safety and lying and deceiving by owners and managers is seen as an business attribute.

I was interested to hear that anyone currently can call themselves a Fire Engineer and the report recommends that this should become a protected term and these people should be competent by law.

It would have been nice for contempt persons schemes that do not register competent persons only "Enterprises" to be abolished and replaced with a real competent person scheme. 

Watch out for hand ringing and weasel words from those organisations who have a financial interest in preserving their incomes and the status quo.  

JP

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  • I do think that if implemented correctly the following will be interesting

    -   Bringing responsibility for all aspects of fire safety under one government department

    -   Mandatory fire safety strategies for higher-risk buildings

    -   Establishing a college of fire and rescue

    The more we learn about the tragedies of fire the more we can do to prevent it happening again. 

    Could this lead to the PVC/PVC T&E becoming outlawed in dwellings and replaced with LS0H? Will FRA (fire risk assessment) be made to work in conjuction with a Fire Safety Audit.  In simple terms a fire risk assessment will tell you what the risks are and what control measures you need. A fire safety audit would be a check that the control measures identified in the fire risk assessment are being implemented

  • in reply to Sergio Fernandez

    In terms of fire load and smoke generation, you need to get rid of PVC trunking, PVC extension and appliance leads and probably PVC window frames  and doors and plumbing pipe as well.   The volume of smoke from bits of T and E, especially those under plaster, are pretty small beer in comparison.

    Mike.

    Not to say I would not welcome some or all of that, over a period of years, but it would a slow change.
    As far as cables go I'm sure there is still some rubber covered in service ;-)

  • in reply to mapj1

    If these schemes are to be replaced, does the proposal entail conducting annual assessments for the entire workforce, rather than evaluating a single company representative each year?

  • in reply to Sergio Fernandez

    "Interesting" isn't necessarily good.  Grenfell happened at a time when the government was committed to a "bonfire of red tape", so the minister in charge did not want any new building regulations introduced.

    https://www.aol.co.uk/news/key-figures-criticised-grenfell-tower-100003616.html

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  • in reply to Simon Barker

    Hi Simon

    When I say interesting I mean from the point of view as an engineer and what improvements will happen across a lot of industries.  Unfortunately society and industries only learn/implement more stringent rules/create legislation from horrific loss of life like Piper Alpha.  That being said my heart and mind is with the families affected by the Grenfell tragedy

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