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GRENFELL TOWER REPORT PUBLISHED TODAY

John Peckham

I listened this morning Sir Martin Moore-Bick introducing his report on the Grenfell Tower fire on the radio.

I was interested in him saying that person were incompetent, dishonest and greedy.

Probably no different to other industries where profit, salaries and dividends are more important than public safety and lying and deceiving by owners and managers is seen as an business attribute.

I was interested to hear that anyone currently can call themselves a Fire Engineer and the report recommends that this should become a protected term and these people should be competent by law.

It would have been nice for contempt persons schemes that do not register competent persons only "Enterprises" to be abolished and replaced with a real competent person scheme. 

Watch out for hand ringing and weasel words from those organisations who have a financial interest in preserving their incomes and the status quo.  

JP

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  • Hello John:

    I have been waiting years for this report to be issued.

    I plan to download the full report to see it it answers all my questions- for example why there was no water in the risers or why it took so long to turn off the gas supply to the building.

    Now it has been issued, how long before the police start arresting people?

    Peter Brooks

    Palm Bay Florida 

      

  • in reply to Peter Brooks

    Now it has been issued, how long before the police start arresting people?

    For ever I should think, or at most it will be some poor sap who attached some panels who was a long way from the original flawed decision making,

    To decide someone's individual action is criminal, rather than just stupid, and stands any chance of being convicted as such before a Jury is actually quite a high bar to satisfy when there are so many folk - if you like, the blame is spread thinly.

    Mike.

  • in reply to mapj1
    mapj1 said:
    To decide someone's individual action is criminal, rather than just stupid, and stands any chance of being convicted as such before a Jury is actually quite a high bar to satisfy when there are so many folk - if you like, the blame is spread thinly.

    Quite so! The Swiss cheese model applies. There must have been many similar buildings, and some which still exist.

    I think that it is the scale of the tragedy which was exceptional. Had there been, say 24 families of 3 who had been killed over a period, would anybody have noticed?

  • in reply to Chris Pearson

    As I understand it the Attorney General has given an undertaking to persons giving oral evidence, not written, to the Grenfell Inquiry that that evidence cannot be used in a prosecution. It does not give the persons immunity from prosecution but the oral evidence cannot be used to prosecute them.

    That makes the task of the Met. Police much harder to bring the offenders to justice.

    I look forward to those suspects getting the early morning wake up call from London's finest knocking on their door.

    JP 

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  • in reply to Chris Pearson

    As I understand it the Attorney General has given an undertaking to persons giving oral evidence, not written, to the Grenfell Inquiry that that evidence cannot be used in a prosecution. It does not give the persons immunity from prosecution but the oral evidence cannot be used to prosecute them.

    That makes the task of the Met. Police much harder to bring the offenders to justice.

    I look forward to those suspects getting the early morning wake up call from London's finest knocking on their door.

    JP 

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