Bidirectional Electric Vehicle charging - could this be a game changer to support widespread EV adoption whilst strengthening the grid?

There is an increasingly urgent debate on how to accelerate electric vehicle (EV) adoption to reduce CO2 emissions from fossil-fuelled vehicles.

For instance, in the UK, the government is pushing for the transition to zero-emission vehicles, aiming to phase out petrol and diesel cars by 2030 (
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/industry-encouraged-to-shape-uk-transition-to-zero-emission-vehicles#:~:text=The%202030%20phase%20out%20date%20was%20broadly%20supported%20by%20industry,to%20electric%20cars%20by%202030).

One commonly cited challenge is the concern that “the grid can’t handle the power demand of widespread EV deployment.”

But what if each new EV could be an asset to the grid rather than a burden?

In my view, bidirectional charging could be a game-changer, creating a "positive tipping point" for both EV adoption and grid stability. How Could This Work?

Grid Perspective:
Every EV plugged into the grid could provide valuable energy storage. Excess renewable energy (from solar or wind) could be stored in EV batteries during periods of low demand and released back into the grid during peak times, reducing reliance on fossil fuels.

Moreover, if EVs are charged at home or near points of demand, they could provide localized storage, decreasing the need for long-distance transmission and reducing grid losses. 

The Role of AI:
Real-time spot tariffs could be broadcast to smart chargers, allowing them to respond to the grid’s need for additional power. AI algorithms could also predict weather patterns, helping to plan charging schedules based on upcoming energy production from renewables.

Charger-Owner Perspective:
Charger-owners can buy energy at a low spot rate and potentially be paid to take on energy during periods of excess supply. They could then sell energy back to the grid at a higher spot rate during periods of peak demand. If the owner also has solar or wind energy production, the incremental cost of this energy could be close to zero.

Driver Perspective:
The only inconvenience for the driver would be the need to plug in the vehicle. This could happen when they arrive at work or home, and app-based guidance could optimize charging times based on driver preferences.

Vehicle Perspective:
While each EV has embodied carbon from battery production, using the battery for grid storage could maximize the benefits of this "carbon investment." It’s a way of leveraging the vehicle’s potential beyond just emission-free driving.

Material / resource demand Perspective:
By using EV batteries for grid storage, the need for home batteries might be reduced, avoiding the demand for additional storage capacity and the associated environmental impact from mining operations.

Climate Mitigation Perspective:
To mitigate climate change, reducing CO2 emissions is essential. Bidirectional EV charging could create a positive feedback loop, decreasing emissions from both vehicles and the grid. The potential for fewer home batteries would also reduce embodied carbon associated with their production.

Climate Adaptation Perspective:
Severe weather events, intensified by climate change, could disrupt the grid. In such cases, EVs could provide backup power. With advance warning of extreme weather, drivers could ensure their batteries are fully charged. Since EV batteries typically have much higher capacity than home batteries, they could offer autonomy for multiple days in the event of grid failure.

Work and Home Considerations:
The interaction between work and home charging (and the potential for energy consumption at both locations) could introduce complexities, especially around remuneration and tax regimes. This could be addressed by borrowing the "Virtual Private Network" (VPN) concept from telecommunications, ensuring energy billing aligns with both remuneration and tax considerations.

Conclusion:
Many IET members are likely to be involved in this debate, so I would appreciate hearing your thoughts, as well as any corrections or guidance on my use of terminology.
(I am not a professional in this domain but am deeply interested from both a climate crisis perspective and as an enthusiastic EV and "active house" owner.)

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  • I have seen discussions in the past looking at problems of locally overloading part of the distribution network. The load on a cable is usually monitored and controlled at the traditional source point, 800A fuses in the substation for example. A significant V2G source on that cable segment could allow an overload. A depot for EVs could be capable of sourcing a couple of hundred amps.

    The principle you are suggesting, using V2G in a local part of the network to reduce the need for expansion of the wider grid seems to increase that chance of this without significant local monitoring.

  • So what starts of as looking like tens of millions might shrink quite considerably by the time it's put into practice. Don't get me wrong, I still think it could be a very useful contribution and well worth developing the technology, but I see it as one more brick in the overall much larger solution rather than a game changer all by itself.

    Hi Andy - many thanks for your insightful responses. 

    I guess where I'm coming from is that if each car manufacturer were to build bi-directional charging capability into their car as standard (and I realise there are at least 2 standards out there - based on DC vs. AC interfaces) then that would maximise the opportunity for EVs to become an "asset" to the network (and help with load spreading / demand side management / carbon intensity reduction) rather than the opposite case where EVs without bidirectional charging are a "burden" to the network - with a high proportion needing to be charged at the same time (when travellers arrive at their place of work / residence / shopping). 
    If drivers were sufficiently informed & incentivised, it may even be possible to influence their driving habits (e.g. so that those not needing to drive during peak grid demand periods were "remunerated" for leaving their cars grid-connected.)

    Stuart

  • The principle you are suggesting, using V2G in a local part of the network to reduce the need for expansion of the wider grid seems to increase that chance of this without significant local monitoring.

    Hi Roger
    I agree there would need to be some monitoring, and I think  has provided a good answer.  Where I'm coming from is that without bidirectional charging there could be an even larger demand on the network of many EVs needing to charge at the same time.
    With bidirectional charging, a proportion of the EVs may be able to reduce the peak demand by releasing some of their stored energy.
    As Andy mentioned, the export current could be limited as an early mitigation, and as more intelligence comes into the network, export could be adjusted to minimise peaks / avoid overload.   

  • And what would the local monitoring achieve.

    Does it switch off the loads before things get out of hand?

    EV owners waking up to uncharged vehicles is already a problem. Some part due to the very old cabling. This overstretch of the aging infrastructure will cause issues. 

    V2G is yet another pie in the sky ideological non starter.

    Personally I sit the idea along with heat pump, solar panels and wind turbines, basically very expensive and useless.

  • V2G is yet another pie in the sky ideological non starter.

    Personally I sit the idea along with heat pump, solar panels and wind turbines, basically very expensive and useless.

    Hi Jon - sorry to disagree with you on all 4 points.
    I think this is an engineering forum, so let's leave ideology to one side. 
    I see solar PV and wind turbines as excellent engineering solutions for renewable energy generation witnessed by the global adoption of these technologies (with costs significantly below fossil fuelled alternatives - https://www.irena.org/Publications/2024/Sep/Renewable-Power-Generation-Costs-in-2023).
    Similarly, heat pumps are a great engineering solution for efficient heating & cooling.
    Electric Vehicles will ultimately replace ICE vehicles and I believe bi-directional charging / V2G could be an enabler to  this happening in a way that can ease the demands on an aging network, rather then be held back by inadequate infrastructure.
    Stuart

  • Thank you for your reply Stuart.

    We disagree, that fine.

    Unfortunately netzero is ideological and is important to associate that with the mandated transition to renewable.

    In the uk we have the highest cost energy in the world due to the net zero transition to renewable. This will only increase as turbines and panels increase.. 

    Bare in mind that we need to spend trillions of pounds on infrastructure to accommodate the grid expansion. 

    The countries economy is a complete mess so where's all the cash coming from?

    Another reality check for you is that Only 13 % of the uks cars are ev so not much chance of backing up the grid when the sun doesn't shine and wind won't blow.

    As I said. It's pie in the sky.

  • I see solar PV and wind turbines as excellent engineering solutions for renewable energy generation witnessed by the global adoption of these technologies (with costs significantly below fossil fuelled alternatives - https://www.irena.org/Publications/2024/Sep/Renewable-Power-Generation-Costs-in-2023).

    Can you show me some numbers from a non biased source supporting the costs in this statement?

    As noted here:

    (1) Wind versus Nuclear - Engineering Discussions - IET EngX - IET EngX

    The real costs of wind power, without systems to support the intermittency are already coming close to the cost of Nuclear. Fossil fuels are far cheaper which is why they are being used without subsidies today. Big tech, who need consistent energy supplies are moving rapidly towards Nuclear.

  • Can you show me some numbers from a non biased source supporting the costs in this statement?

    Hi Roger - I think this MIT article provides a fairly balanced view, which also emphasises the need / cost of storage to support wind & solar.

    That's the reason why I think V2G could be a significant technology, as the storage being deployed in EVs could become part of the solution. 
    The MIT article also mentions that the cost of fossil fuelled solutions don’t count the cost of the environmental damage caused by the fossil fuels.

    The article also mentions: "when most Americans have a big battery in their cars or a backup battery in their homes, that storage capacity could help balance the grid as a whole."

    I understand why nuclear is gaining interest - but my personal view is that planning / implementation timelines will need to be accelerated to make a meaningful contribution towards meeting Paris Agreement goals; maybe modular nuclear can help here?
    I summarised some thoughts on Nuclear vs Wind a while ago in this post

  • Couple of other issues.

    Most people can't afford any of the new tech.

    EV sales are plummeting, cost of living is exploding, CO2 levels are rising, fossil fuel use is expanding. Do you really think plugging a car into the grid is going to save the planet.

    Not that it needs saving.

    Nature always wins and hopefully common sense.

    I wouldn't take an MIT article as factual. 

  • In the uk we have the highest cost energy in the world due to the net zero transition to renewable. This will only increase as turbines and panels increase.. 

    Bare in mind that we need to spend trillions of pounds on infrastructure to accommodate the grid expansion. 

    The countries economy is a complete mess so where's all the cash coming from?

    Hi Jon

    if cost is your main concern, please don't ignore the cost of the effects of climate change - particularly significant for the UK.

    I agree the proportion of EVs in the UK is currently low (and probably only a small proportion of these are V2G capable). 
    This is the reason for my original post - to increase the future proportion of EVs that are V2G enabled, so that EV's can help reduce the future cost of the grid infrastructure by providing storage distributed throughout the network. 

    Stuart

  • Your barking up the wrong tree with Climate Alarmism.

    I've read enough science facts to educate myself off the nipple of doom.

    You should try it it's quite enlightening 

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  • Your barking up the wrong tree with Climate Alarmism.

    I've read enough science facts to educate myself off the nipple of doom.

    You should try it it's quite enlightening 

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