Heathrow Closure

Unbelievably I can't see a discussion thread on this already.

Anyone actually believing that a single transformer/substation fire shuts fully down one of the largest airports in the world?  

Mod edit: including a link for context  

  • Well it looks pretty serious. The question I suppose, given odd things happening around the world at the moment,  is was this a natural maintenance  avoidable failure or was it pushed? The fundamental problem with Heathrow of course is that it is too big, and really the functionality should have been distributed over a no of smaller sites

    I understand it is North Hyde   www.ssen.co.uk/.../north-hyde-grid-supply-point---strategic-development-plan---for-consultation.pdf

    I .

    Mike

  • I wonder if the disruption was larger than the actual fault? - e.g. having to shut down the entire site to make it safe for the fire crews to enter. Some reports say 60,000 odd customers were affected at one point, falling to less than 10,000 now. There are also reports of the fire taking out a backup generator at the same time (which might suggest some lack of detailed planning).

       - Andy.

  • As you mention, i can't envisage that the functionality and resilience would not be distributed around the site/area.  The statement from he Energy Minister that the fire has taken out back-up generators also seems to add more doubt in my mind.  

    Faults on the power system and fires in the locality of the airport should have been well within the bounds of contingency planning.  I can understand liminted or no departures, but inbound diversions and turnarounds seems like a failure of engineering, failure of contingency planning or something else more malicious

  • I also wondered that Andy - but the lack of ability to accept inbound flights makes me wonder what would could possibly have failed to prevent flights from landing.  I would have anticipated back-up generators as part of the airport's infrastructure and completely independant from the DNO supply.  I can think of lots of examples of less important sites in the UK that have onsite power generation independant of the national grid. 

  • I would expect Heathrow to be mostly fed at 33kV from Longford while the fire was at North Hyde. The common feed to both is the National Grid switching site at Iver. Perhaps all output circuits from Iver tripped rather than Iver-Hyde 1/2 275kV circuits.  

  • Technically they could still accept flights as a lot of the kit in the apron runway area have back up and such the issue is they do not have backup and contingency power in the main buildings so they can not deal with the people in the terminal buildings. Poor Planning (PPP) or lack of contingency?

    The other thing that people are NOT discussing is the possibility of sabotage from the the USSR.  Someone may have asked for a large spanner to be Putin the works, so to speak.

  • The North Hyde GSP network is made up of 66kV, 22kV, 11kV, 6.6kV, and LV circuits. It is an urban network located in west London where the land use is a mix of residential, commercial, and industrial with no agricultural land.




    It is worth noting that there are two sites where the SSEN Distribution network connects to Heathrow Airport within the GSP area. In total the GSP serves approximately 64,000 customers with the breakdown for each substation shown below 

    Substation  Type No. Customers Served 2023/24 Pk recorded MVA

    North Hyde (B) Grid Supply Point 63,577 169.44
    North Hyde (D) Bulk Supply Point 5,894   28.15

    North Hyde (E) Primary Substation 16,081 43.37
    Bath Rd EastPrimary Substation  3,049   7.55

    Hayes Primary Substation 17,300  31.44
    Springfield Rd Primary Substation 8,476 12.81

    The Green Primary Substation 4,279 8.50
    Vicarage Farm Rd Primary Substation 17,484  24.33

  • Hello Andy:

    My take on the situation is that here we have a single point failure and a black swan event!

    Where is the wonderful AL system that should have projected that this event would happen at this specific date/time?

    Peter Brooks

    Palm Bay Florida 

  • Note sure about Black Swans but I can imagine there are some people wearing brown trousers

  • I know some people here in Florida who plan to visit the UK in a few months.

    Even before this event, I have been strongly advising them to cancel their trip.

    Peter Brooks

    Palm Bay FL.