Iberien Peninsular Blackout

Any thoughts/information on what happened? Was it a lack of spinning reserve?

Was it " The Portuguese operator, REN, said the outage was caused by a “rare atmospheric phenomenon”, with extreme temperature variations in Spain causing “anomalous oscillations” in very high-voltage lines."

as is written in the Guardian?

Electricity restored to 90% of Spain and most of Portugal after massive power outage | Spain | The Guardian

The Italien blackout from a few years ago had a definate cause in the tripping of interconnetors from Switzerland during a storm.

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  • There is still not much information about the blackout, especially anything that could be classed as official.

    PV Magazine published this based on Spanish government sources:

    www.pv-magazine.com/.../

    It seems to suggest some Europe wide instability followed by a cascade failure that could not be stopped by load shedding.

    There have been a couple of other graphics of uncertain origin. This one from ENTSOE shows the collapse. At the time there seems to have been a large amount of solar PV generation with the surplus being sent to pumped storage. 

     

    https://transparency.entsoe.eu/generation/r2/actualGenerationPerProductionType/show?name=&defaultValue=false&viewType=GRAPH&areaType=BZN&atch=false&datepicker-day-offset-select-dv-date-from_input=D&dateTime.dateTime=28.04.2025+00:00|CET|DAYTIMERANGE&dateTime.endDateTime=28.04.2025+00:00|CET|DAYTIMERANGE&area.values=CTY|10YES-REE------0!BZN|10YES-REE------0&productionType.values=B01&productionType.values=B25&productionType.values=B02&productionType.values=B03&productionType.values=B04&productionType.values=B05&productionType.values=B06&productionType.values=B07&productionType.values=B08&productionType.values=B09&productionType.values=B10&productionType.values=B11&productionType.values=B12&productionType.values=B13&productionType.values=B14&productionType.values=B20&productionType.values=B15&productionType.values=B16&productionType.values=B17&productionType.values=B18&productionType.values=B19&dateTime.timezone=CET_CEST&dateTime.timezone_input=CET+(UTC+1)+/+CEST+(UTC+2)

    There have also been a couple of comments that the proportion of solar generation has been reduced and nuclear and gas have been ramped up, this may however just be a sensible action to take until more information is available. This is of German origin but may have been collated from ENTSO.

  • Hello Roger:

    I haven't seen anything about the cost of the power loss  due to grid component damage (example transformers or switch gear) both within Spain or say France.

    One article your referenced, mentioned the benefits that Spain is having due to its extensive use of renewables.

    Do you know how the residential electrical power costs in Spain compare to the UK ?

    Peter Brooks

    Palm Bay FL  

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  • Hello Roger:

    I haven't seen anything about the cost of the power loss  due to grid component damage (example transformers or switch gear) both within Spain or say France.

    One article your referenced, mentioned the benefits that Spain is having due to its extensive use of renewables.

    Do you know how the residential electrical power costs in Spain compare to the UK ?

    Peter Brooks

    Palm Bay FL  

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  • The comparison  of domestic electricity prices is difficult as there are various taxes and levies as well as exchange rate fluctuations. The UK is no longer included in the detailed European data. This site appears to give reasonable information:

     

    https://countryeconomy.com/energy-and-environment/electricity-price-household

    The UK is slightly cheaper than Spain, 0.2203 € per kWh against 0.2408 € per kWh. The ‘leaders’ in renewable energy sources, Germany and Denmark are the most expensive by far 0.3943 and 0.3763 € per kWh.

  • This is also dangerous to compare a single figure, as at certain times of day for users who sign up to it, electricity is free..usually at some weekends when demand is lower.https://octopus.energy/free-electricity/  note that there is a funny 'marginal price' mechanism that means the wholesale prices for renewable are scaled by the price of gas..www.goodenergy.co.uk/.../

    Mike

  • Hello Roger:

    Your referenced article is excellent. 

    It should be noted that here in the US the price paid for electrical power is controlled at the State Level and not at the Federal level.

    As an example in Massachusetts one may pay $0.23 per kWh, while here in Florida it is about $0.11 per kWh.

    Peter Brooks

    Palm Bay