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18th Edition amendment one. Volt drop measurement, who is spreading the rumour we need new testers?

Who is the test equipment manufacturer and/ or importer spreading the rumour that we will need new volt drop testers?


Out of interest I have tried an internet search for volt drop testers than can be used to test UK fixed installations and drew a blank with only testers suitable for use in the USA at lower voltages coming up in the search results along with results for auto electrics.


Andy
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  • Chris Pearson:




    Sparkingchip:

    Bobdenton summed it up in the first paragraph of his post over eleven years ago:


    ”It seems to me that verification of the VD is intended to be done before the load is connected, otherwise all you would need to do to satisfy 525 is measure the voltage across the load. It's either sufficient for the load or it isn't.”


    That is it in a nutshell, measure the voltage across the connected load and it is either sufficient or it isn’t.


    Andy 




    Right-oh! When did any of you last encounter voltage drop as a problem please?


     




    I rarely encounter a volt drop problem and if I do it is usually because a installation is not being used as intended, such as a farm building being used as an industrial unit with a distribution circuit that was intended for a grain dryer or a few lights and sockets now being used for welders and other fabrication tools and equipment.

    But what happens in reality is that fuses and trips open due to overload before the voltage drop is noticed to be an issue, when you’re on the phone trying to get a DNO fuse replaced on a pole voltage drop is not a real concern.


    I do however have pads of EICR forms with a box to tick to say I have verified the voltage drops within the installation when I tested it.


    In a small domestic installation you aren’t going to concern yourself about voltage drop, in a larger installation if a fixed appliance has sufficient voltage at its terminals when the appliance is under load are you really then going to start taking reference readings at the intake to work out the percentage drop in the circuit? Anyway as the voltage is possibly constantly changing due to loads altering and clouds in the sky affecting the output of the PV array on the roof how accurate can a figure derived from two two test results not taken simultaneously? How repeatable are loop test results?


    The whole process of determining voltage drop by testing is very iffy, if this and if that, unless the tester applies a fixed load or simulates to make a virtually instant determination of what the voltage drop would be.


    A simple little tick box on a certificate or report can really open you up to being quizzed as to what you did before you ticked it.


    Andy 



     

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  • Chris Pearson:




    Sparkingchip:

    Bobdenton summed it up in the first paragraph of his post over eleven years ago:


    ”It seems to me that verification of the VD is intended to be done before the load is connected, otherwise all you would need to do to satisfy 525 is measure the voltage across the load. It's either sufficient for the load or it isn't.”


    That is it in a nutshell, measure the voltage across the connected load and it is either sufficient or it isn’t.


    Andy 




    Right-oh! When did any of you last encounter voltage drop as a problem please?


     




    I rarely encounter a volt drop problem and if I do it is usually because a installation is not being used as intended, such as a farm building being used as an industrial unit with a distribution circuit that was intended for a grain dryer or a few lights and sockets now being used for welders and other fabrication tools and equipment.

    But what happens in reality is that fuses and trips open due to overload before the voltage drop is noticed to be an issue, when you’re on the phone trying to get a DNO fuse replaced on a pole voltage drop is not a real concern.


    I do however have pads of EICR forms with a box to tick to say I have verified the voltage drops within the installation when I tested it.


    In a small domestic installation you aren’t going to concern yourself about voltage drop, in a larger installation if a fixed appliance has sufficient voltage at its terminals when the appliance is under load are you really then going to start taking reference readings at the intake to work out the percentage drop in the circuit? Anyway as the voltage is possibly constantly changing due to loads altering and clouds in the sky affecting the output of the PV array on the roof how accurate can a figure derived from two two test results not taken simultaneously? How repeatable are loop test results?


    The whole process of determining voltage drop by testing is very iffy, if this and if that, unless the tester applies a fixed load or simulates to make a virtually instant determination of what the voltage drop would be.


    A simple little tick box on a certificate or report can really open you up to being quizzed as to what you did before you ticked it.


    Andy 



     

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